Post-Brexit Thread

[ntluser]

We also need to remember that immigrants are victims in this too and that the situation has been generated by the government's failure to manage the immigration numbers.

If British Nationals could get jobs, have easy access to doctor's appointments and put their children in a school of their choice the situation would be far less tense.

Unfortunately, that's not the case and that is why we are where we are.

YouGov poll (yes polls get it wrong) shows Britain against second referendum 2 to 1. Also I've been reading country's outside the EU including Australia, New Zeleand, India,Mexico and many others "queuing" up for trade deals witb the UK. Good news for Britian as the EU is 16% of worldwide trade, even less once Britian leaves. We're now free to do our own trade deals with other 86%.

An as for the back of the queue statement from the USA, it's expected our trade with the US to become more valuable as the "like minded" countries deal direct.

Expect lots of doom and gloom over the coming months before article 50 is started. Project fear stage 2 is in full swing. But again it will be all words.

[heero_yuy]

BRITAIN’S biggest companies completed a remarkable post-Brexit recovery last night and closed on a two-month high.

The FTSE 100 index of blue chip firms surged by 3.6 per cent, rising 220 points to 6360.

Its rally took it above its recent high of last Thursday evening, when it was not yet known that the UK had voted to leave the EU.

It has now clawed back the £85billion losses it suffered last Friday and on Monday in just two days.

Sterling remains way down on the dollar, but it too is showing signs of recovery, with £1 last night worth nearly $1.35 against its low of $1.30.

Business leaders, even those in the Remain camp, rallied round *yesterday to say the UK had a strong future in a post-Brexit world.

Linky

Markets go up and down all the time. BREXIT doom has just evaporated.

Yeah, all will be fine. The EU's own data suggests in 2014 the EU (to put it simply) sold us £360Billion worth of goods and services. The EU as a trading bloc cannot lose that sort of trade.

We will leave the EU and get what we want, Juncker is just power crazy, I guess being prime minister of Luxembourg wasn't enough with its population of less then 1 million and a GDP of only £58billion. When he resigns it's going to be quite a bump back to reality for him i suspect.

***BREAKING****
Gove to stand for PM saying "Boris Johnston cannot Provide the leadership for the task ahead".

Gove has changed it's mind!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36671336

Justice Secretary Michael Gove to stand for Conservative Party leadership and UK PM, BBC understands

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BTW Gove will probably get the support of The Sun and the Mail as Murdoch is keen on him as is Darce....

Boris is in trouble now. He was already trailing behind May....

Hell no!Say it isn't so..I've been fairly ambivalent towards Cameron. However I don't feel that way about Gove..

He said he was standing because he had come "to the conclusion that Boris cannot provide the leadership or build the team for the task ahead".

Supreme example of a backstabbing..

[pip08456]

This

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2D8MB5s8Jg

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Hell no!Say it isn't so..I've been fairly ambivalent towards Cameron. However I don't feel that way about Gove..



Supreme example of a backstabbing..

I have always thought Cameron was ok. Wouldn't mind May. Can't stand Gove though.

[ianch99]

The Gover's new campaign tag line

You can trust a Tory!

[ntluser]

Just seen Liam Fox on the TV and if Boris does not get the PM job Liam looks like a good substitute as he sounds like he is prepared to kickass with the EU if they start messing us around and is prepared to broker trade deals with the rest of the world.

Nicola Sturgeon should hold fire until she sees what deals can be done.

As for Gove, it's political opportunism. Boris has fronted the Leave campaign and now may not get the PM job. However, because Gove was not brave enough to be in the firing line like Boris and Liam he may get sidelined and deservedly so. Fortune favours the brave.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Immigrants can no longer claim Jobseekers Allowance as soon as they come here, but they are still able to claim in work benefits like Housing Benefit, Council Tax Reduction, Working Tax Credits, Child Tax Credits, Child Benefit etc.

In work actually means working over 16 hours a week. This is often abused by people saying that they are self employed for two days a week eg Big Issue sellers, scrap metal collecting etc.

That strikes me as a deficiency in our welfare system that we could've fixed had we been bothered to.

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Linky

Markets go up and down all the time. BREXIT doom has just evaporated.

We've at least 4 years of pain ahead. That's just the initial shock over and some benefits to our top companies, as they make most of their money abroad, from Sterling bombing.

The domestic economy will continue to weaken and will go into recession if it's not there already shortly.

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Originally Posted by ntluser

Just seen Liam Fox on the TV and if Boris does not get the PM job Liam looks like a good substitute as he sounds like he is prepared to kickass with the EU if they start messing us around and is prepared to broker trade deals with the rest of the world.

Boris is an affable, intelligent man with no finesse or focus.

Liam Fox may bluster but he knows as well as anyone that the EU hold the good cards in the discussion and it'll be damage limitation as far as those negotiations go.

It's campaign season again. Argh.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Hell no!Say it isn't so..I've been fairly ambivalent towards Cameron. However I don't feel that way about Gove..



Supreme example of a backstabbing..

Politicians all over sadly.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by ntluser

We also need to remember that immigrants are victims in this too and that the situation has been generated by the government's failure to manage the immigration numbers.

If British Nationals could get jobs, have easy access to doctor's appointments and put their children in a school of their choice the situation would be far less tense.

Unfortunately, that's not the case and that is why we are where we are.

Victims of the government's failure to properly provision services perhaps.

There are a bunch of countries handling far more migrants per head.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by ianch99

The Gover's new campaign tag line

Yep place our faith in mendacious and duplicitous politicians and it will all be fine and dandy in the end.

[ntluser]

As we have seen a week is a long time in politics.

If the EU do that much trade with us they cannot afford for us to go into recession and it does appear that if the UK government organises itself better we can not only avoid recession but also address UK nationals concerns about immigration now that we know what the problems are and where they are.

It's just a matter of doing things in a well thought out systematic way and with a degree of haste so that the UK public can see the government is listening and is taking action to remedy their concerns in a prompt manner.

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Victims of the government's failure to properly provision services perhaps.

There are a bunch of countries handling far more migrants per head.

Agreed, but given the anti-EU feelings expressed in Europe are the EU making the same mistakes as the UK because leaders are out of touch with the electorate?

Maybe we need to look at how other EU countries are handling immigration and come up with a policy for best practice.