Post-Brexit Thread

Originally Posted by Mr K

There'll be delay after delay after delay. Until in a few years time the situation 'wiil have changed' requiring another referendum. No one will admit that now though.

Nope, this effects markets worldwide, this effects every EU member state. We can't go on like this. The EU needs us out then carry on doing their business, how can the EU plan anything without knowing when we will leave,

Cameron needs to man up and invoke art-50, or I suspect the EU May well find a way of doing it themselves. An also exclude us from every summit, meeting, or gathering.

We've voted to leave, if we're allowed to hang on for years then what's to stop every other member doing the same. Holding the EU/EC over a barrel.

I voted last Thursday expecting remain to win and was prepared to support the referendum whatever the result as the will of the British people and on this forum I said I expected remain to win by 53-47 so TheDaddy no my attitude wouldn't be any different then it is now. As for being misled again I've already said I don't think the official leave campaign expected to win and did they lie and exaggerate some things yes they did as did remain as well so no difference and neither better then the other. Anyone who voted last Thursday whether they voted leave or remain based purely on what the campaigns were saying was naive and there were likely just as many people on both sides influenced by the campaign lies so again no one side is better then the other.

That online petition is a complete joke just look at where all the votes are coming from it has as much relevance as fairy dust.

I also voted understanding nothing much would change for at least two years as that's how long it takes to leave the EU per article 50, yet now we have a bunch of remainers asking for the plan and what's happening now. Some see what Cameron did as dignified it wasn't he again said one thing and did the opposite he said if the country voted leave he'd start article 50 and he just up and quit knowing it would create a delay and put things into limbo. Maybe leave have a plan maybe they don't and are currently working on one now but it is right to take the time to ensure a period of calm after the shock.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by RBMark

EU Leaders want Brexit to begin on Tuesday, I hope so...but unfortunately it seems a lot of British think they can dictate to everyone else how things should be completely ignoring democracy. So no doubt they will think they can make every other EU country wait!

http://news.sky.com/story/1717820/uk...esday-eu-chief

Ignoring democracy? You're having a laugh right? What are remain doing accepting it?

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I am still buzzing with the result. I feel my original vote in 1975 has now been vindicated.

[ntluser]

Originally Posted by RBMark

EU Leaders want Brexit to begin on Tuesday, I hope so...but unfortunately it seems a lot of British think they can dictate to everyone else how things should be completely ignoring democracy. So no doubt they will think they can make every other EU country wait!

http://news.sky.com/story/1717820/uk...esday-eu-chief

I'm sure how that really resolves things.

In the UK the EU referendum is only advisory. A new PM and British MPs may simply vote to ignore it and carry on as before.

The UK is not dictating the time scale, Article 50 is. All the UK government is asking for is time to elect a new PM and to consider the outcome, which has come as a major shock to many people, even Leave campaigners.

People in Europe need to understand that the EU affects parts of the UK in different ways. The split vote indicates that. The rise of anti-EU parties in the Euro MEP elections indicates that in Europe too there are people who feel that the EU management is interfering too much in their lives so this is not just a British phenomenon.

There are many immigrants in the UK and it would be wrong to think that many of the people in the UK do not appreciate the contribution they make to our society. I know I certainly do. Mind you, it is also true to say that there are others in the minority who take a different view.

As for dictation, it is the EU, that, even now, is doing the dictating and bullying despite the fact that we are only acting within EU rules.

At present, Angela Merkel seem to be the only leader prepared to give us the breathing space we need to work things through.

Maybe she has learned from the example of Greece that if you pressure already desperate people they tend to react in unexpected and unpredictable ways.

I think many Europeans have the wrong idea about the UK. They visit London and think the rest of the UK is the same. It's not true. Just as life in Paris is different from life in Alencon, Marseilles & Toulouse.

Both sides need to take a deep breath and really think things through instead of hurtling on at speed into mutual oblivion when it is totally unecessary.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by ntluser

I'm sure how that really resolves things.

In the UK the EU referendum is only advisory. A new PM and British MPs may simply vote to ignore it and carry on as before.

The UK is not dictating the time scale, Article 50 is. All the UK government is asking for is time to elect a new PM and to consider the outcome, which has come as a major shock to many people, even Leave campaigners.

People in Europe need to understand that the EU affects parts of the UK in different ways. The split vote indicates that. The rise of anti-EU parties in the Euro MEP elections indicates that in Europe too there are people who feel that the EU management is interfering too much in their lives so this is not just a British phenomenon.

There are many immigrants in the UK and it would be wrong to think that many of the people in the UK do not appreciate the contribution they make to our society. I know I certainly do. Mind you, it is also true to say that there are others in the minority who take a different view.

As for dictation, it is the EU, that, even now, is doing the dictating and bullying despite the fact that we are only acting within EU rules.

At present, Angela Merkel seem to be the only leader prepared to give us the breathing space we need to work things through.

Maybe she has learned from the example of Greece that if you pressure already desperate people they tend to react in unexpected and unpredictable ways.

I think many Europeans have the wrong idea about the UK. They visit London and think the rest of the UK is the same. It's not true. Just as life in Paris is different from life in Alencon, Marseilles & Toulouse.

Both sides need to take a deep breath and really think things through instead of hurtling on at speed into mutual oblivion when it is totally unecessary.

Clutching at straws now? There'd be a riot if they ignored it.

[ntluser]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

Clutching at straws now? There'd be a riot if they ignored it.

Maybe so.

If we stay in the Leave campaigners will be unhappy.

If we go the Remain campaigners will be unhappy.

The solution is to reform the EU in such a way that we can remain but on terms that the Leave campaigners can live with.

The alternative is the break-up of the UK and possibly the EU too which leaves us all in a mess.

We have not even left yet but

1)the value of the £ has dropped,
2)banks are planning to up sticks and move to Europe,
3)America has still pushed us to the back of the trade deal queue,
4)Scotland may still opt for independence even though it will take a while to
join the EU,
5)people are already losing jobs.

And there still may be no trade deal with the EU.

We'll have to wait and see what the government is going to do.

Originally Posted by RBMark

Im still still waiting for the war and for the NHS to collapse like remain said it would. How many Remainers voted remain through fear of war, losing the NHS?

Neither side has anything to boast about .I watched Sajid Javid looking like a scared rabbit this morning when asked when we are going to get the "punishment budget " that he and Osborne promised us ,watching Farage and Boris squirm their way through interviews was just laughable

[Stephen]

No one is clutching at straws.

Just because the people said something doesn't mean the government have to actually listen to it.

Originally Posted by Stephen

No one is clutching at straws.

Just because the people said something doesn't mean the government have to actually listen to it.

So in the next general election is Labour win, can tories just ignore and stay in power?

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by ntluser

Maybe so.

If we stay in the Leave campaigners will be unhappy.

If we go the Remain campaigners will be unhappy.

The solution is to reform the EU in such a way that we can remain but on terms that the Leave campaigners can live with.

The alternative is the break-up of the UK and possibly the EU too which leaves us all in a mess.

We have not even left yet but

1)the value of the £ has dropped,
2)banks are planning to up sticks and move to Europe,
3)America has still pushed us to the back of the trade deal queue,
4)Scotland may still opt for independence even though it will take a while to
join the EU,
5)people are already losing jobs.

And there still may be no trade deal with the EU.

We'll have to wait and see what the government is going to do.

Well maybe that's not such a bad thing for remain. Scotland can technically stop us leaving. Not sure how it works but if they don't like the Brexit deal they can veto in in the Scottish Parliament.

[downquark1]

I'm fascinated by this concept Scotland can veto it. This would be christmas comes early for the conservatives. They avoid Brexit and can blame it all on Sturgeon.

[gba93]

Originally Posted by Stephen

No one is clutching at straws.

Just because the people said something doesn't mean the government have to actually listen to it.

Why bother with a referendum then; in fact why bother with democracy. If the elected representatives decide they can ignore the will of the people when they don't like it and just do what they want then how does that differ from a dictatorship?

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by RBMark

So in the next general election is Labour win, can tories just ignore and stay in power?

Before the government invokes the 2 year treaty clause anything can cancel it. After that we can only cancel it if ALL the EU agrees. Then we will be paying through the nose for it and it may be better to continue BREXIT.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by downquark1

I'm fascinated by this concept Scotland can veto it. This would be christmas comes early for the conservatives. They avoid Brexit and can blame it all on Sturgeon.

If you had the News channel on as I do you would have heard her.

[ntluser]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

Well maybe that's not such a bad thing for remain. Scotland can technically stop us leaving. Not sure how it works but if they don't like the Brexit deal they can veto in in the Scottish Parliament.

I think that most of the MPs of all parties will vote to veto it which will leave us all back at square one.

What we need is a universal solution to the differences between the UK and the EU. Failing that we are all going to be in a mess.