Post-Brexit Thread - Page 11

**Damien** · 25-06-2016, 17:57

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Originally Posted by Chris

Correct. Makes more sense in French, where their province is Bretagne and we are Grand Bretagne.

I was in Bretagne last weekend and there were so many English people! Not really relevant I guess but it's this region of France that must just have lots of expats for some reason, not sure why because the weather is no better.

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Good post on the challenges of another IndyRef in Scotland: https://next.ft.com/content/4610a46e...6-a4a71e8140b0

Incidentally Scottish Labour haven't ruled out supporting it and the Scottish LibDems, such as they are, will meet this week to decide their stance.

**Chris** · 25-06-2016, 17:59

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

There's a plan, the remain side should've pushed to hear what it was, things could've been different if they'd concentrated on what the opposition were saying and expected the future to hold rather than painting scary pictures of wwiii

What Remainers should have done over the last six months is give us some of the euro-co-operation, we're-in-this-together, our-identity-is-European-and-proud they've been carpet bombing Facebook with over the last 24 hours. Who knows, they might just have impressed on some people how much this all mattered to them. But all we got was the official line, the threats of the budget from hell and all the rest of it.

heero_yuy · 25-06-2016, 18:04

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Originally Posted by Chris

What Remainers should have done over the last six months is give us some of the euro-co-operation, we're-in-this-together, our-identity-is-European-and-proud they've been carpet bombing Facebook with over the last 24 hours. Who knows, they might just have impressed on some people how much this all mattered to them. But all we got was the official line, the threats of the budget from hell and all the rest of it.

Indeed I can't recall any positive message on remaining in the EU. All we got was project fear and increasingly stupid, ridiculous, and finally fantasy statements about the supposed dire consequences of leaving. No wonder the electorate rejected them.

techguyone · 25-06-2016, 18:09

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Originally Posted by Damien

I was in Bretagne last weekend and there were so many English people! Not really relevant I guess but it's this region of France that must just have lots of expats for some reason, not sure why because the weather is no better.

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Good post on the challenges of another IndyRef in Scotland: https://next.ft.com/content/4610a46e...6-a4a71e8140b0

Incidentally Scottish Labour haven't ruled out supporting it and the Scottish LibDems, such as they are, will meet this week to decide their stance.

Your link is behind a payroll.

25-06-2016, 18:09

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Originally Posted by Chris

What Remainers should have done over the last six months is give us some of the euro-co-operation, we're-in-this-together, our-identity-is-European-and-proud they've been carpet bombing Facebook with over the last 24 hours. Who knows, they might just have impressed on some people how much this all mattered to them. But all we got was the official line, the threats of the budget from hell and all the rest of it.

I do expect a budget though ,there will have to be a lot of our finances re-targeted to allow for extra civil servants to accomplish the job ahead ,and i'll bet that because we've been in the EU so long there won't be many experienced negotiators around

ntluser · 25-06-2016, 18:13

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Originally Posted by Chris

What Remainers should have done over the last six months is give us some of the euro-co-operation, we're-in-this-together, our-identity-is-European-and-proud they've been carpet bombing Facebook with over the last 24 hours. Who knows, they might just have impressed on some people how much this all mattered to them. But all we got was the official line, the threats of the budget from hell and all the rest of it.

George Osborne's biggest mistake was not to quote figures in support of his argument.

He could have quoted the gross payment we make to the EU along with the rebate and grants received covering a period, say, of the last five years.

These would be concrete provable facts. He didn't.

He said there would be a £30 billion hole in our public finances if we left but did not explain how he arrived at the figures.

He has completely destroyed his credibility.

RichardCoulter · 25-06-2016, 18:18

Im surprised that the EU haven't rolled over yet, they're more arrogant than I thought they were.

Still, there's time yet for a settlement.

Pierre · 25-06-2016, 18:19

Apart from if the economy tanks big time..............

What real material differences will impact old Jo public?

I can't think of any.

25-06-2016, 18:21

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Im surprised that the EU haven't rolled over yet, they're more arrogant than I thought they were.

Still, there's time yet for a settlement.

What settlement ? and roll over ? if you think the EU will all of a sudden capitulate and give UK special status in the community then you are sadly very mistaken .

**Damien** · 25-06-2016, 18:23

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Originally Posted by martyh

I do expect a budget though ,there will have to be a lot of our finances re-targeted to allow for extra civil servants to accomplish the job ahead ,and i'll bet that because we've been in the EU so long there won't be many experienced negotiators around

Also Wales and Cornwall so far have come out and called for the government to match their EU funding so that'll have to be done.

Pierre · 25-06-2016, 18:24

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Originally Posted by Damien

Also Wales and Cornwall so far have come out and called for the government to match their EU funding so that'll have to be done.

No it won't.

25-06-2016, 18:30

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Originally Posted by Damien

Also Wales and Cornwall so far have come out and called for the government to match their EU funding so that'll have to be done.

In the short term maybe but Wales voted by a large majority to leave knowing full well that it would be an end to EU subsidies .

Any idea how long we will continue paying into the EU or receiving money.Does that stop immediately or in 2 yrs ?

Pierre · 25-06-2016, 18:33

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Originally Posted by martyh

In the short term maybe but Wales voted by a large majority to leave knowing full well that it would be an end to EU subsidies .

Any idea how long we will continue paying into the EU or receiving money.Does that stop immediately or in 2 yrs ?

I would expect that until we cease to be member we pay in and also receive the benefits of membership.

heero_yuy · 25-06-2016, 18:36

It'll take a bit of time before the Germans can take up the slack and pay what we were. I wonder how Merkle will sell that along with the millions of immigrants that also will be costing?

Ignitionnet · 25-06-2016, 18:37

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Im surprised that the EU haven't rolled over yet, they're more arrogant than I thought they were.

Still, there's time yet for a settlement.

Not sure how many times it has to be repeated that they can't and won't roll over, as if they do the EU is toast. Any agreement must leave them able to point to advantages for other nations of remaining.

The only option other than that is reform of the entire EU and there isn't time for that even if there were the appetite.