[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by denphone

The trouble is you tend to go to all those posh stores where there are generally one or two in there as you need to go to the cheap stores where they are queueing round the block papa.

i've never thought of aldi as posh just cheap

[Ramrod]

Not bad for a bunch of "swivel eyed loons"

[Osem]

Originally Posted by RBMark

They're going to potentially have a second in/out referendum if they vote to stay knowing we are leaving the EU then that will settle it. But the realisation that Scotland will be a target for immigrants from the EU that can no longer enter England may put them off.

Unless the EU does a very big and very quick about turn, the Scots are not going to want to be independently shackled to it, especially if oil prices are still in the doldrums and their sums don't add up.

[Mr K]

See Farage has already backtracked on the £350 million a week for the NHS pledge. Tax cuts for the rich again no doubt. He could have at least had the decency to wait a week before coming clean on one of the many Brexit lies.

Also it seems the under 50's voted for remain. Its the selfish over 50's who have decided to screw it up for future generations. Let's hope pensioners are targeted in the many more years of austerity coming our way.

There is a possible get out if a general election is called soon, and Labour go into with a pledge of renegotiating with the EU. People might have had chance to realise how daft they've been by then.

Where did it say they would spend £350m a week on the NHS ?

The stuff I saw simply stated something along the lines of £350m *could* fund a hospital for a year.

I dont think anyone actually thought they would start building 52 hospitals a year ....

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Where did it say they would spend £350m a week on the NHS ?

Err .. here?



Although to be fair, Boris is scratching his head thinking "what idiot promised that!"

Ok .... I thought that was just a fake picture made up by someone.

Assuming its genuine, its still not a promise, just a suggestion, and not one anyone would/should take very seriously.
It would not be very sensible to give all the [saved] money to just one thing.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

See Farage has already backtracked on the £350 million a week for the NHS pledge. Tax cuts for the rich again no doubt. He could have at least had the decency to wait a week before coming clean on one of the many Brexit lies.

Also it seems the under 50's voted for remain. Its the selfish over 50's who have decided to screw it up for future generations. Let's hope pensioners are targeted in the many more years of austerity coming our way.

There is a possible get out if a general election is called soon, and Labour go into with a pledge of renegotiating with the EU. People might have had chance to realise how daft they've been by then.

i think the vote leave campaign ie bozzer and co had the 350 slogan etc
mr farage represents ukip [not part of the campaign]

it wasn't the over 50s who couldn't be bothered to vote

there is no get out its done you lost grow a pair and live with it

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Err .. here?



Although to be fair, Boris is scratching his head thinking "what idiot promised that!"

and to be even fairer he's not nigel farage

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Ok .... I thought that was just a fake picture made up by someone.

Assuming its genuine, its still not a promise, just a suggestion, and not one anyone would/should take very seriously.
It would not be very sensible to give all the [saved] money to just one thing.

It may not be sensible but this was a strategic promise as I see it and would have influenced a sizeable amount of people. How many? Who knows? Who cares.

The point is this: someone here on Leave side should have the honesty and decency to say "Yes, that was wrong and may have given the wrong impression" and not try and pretend otherwise. You won what have you got to lose?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by ianch99

It may not be sensible but this was a strategic promise as I see it and would have influenced a sizeable amount of people. How many? Who knows? Who cares.

The point is this: someone here on Leave side should have the honesty and decency to say "Yes, that was wrong and may have given the wrong impression" and not try and pretend otherwise. You won what have you got to lose?

why don't you contact one of the leave mp's and ask that question i don't think any of them are cf members there's just voting individuals here.

[Rexz]

Originally Posted by ianch99

It may not be sensible but this was a strategic promise as I see it and would have influenced a sizeable amount of people. How many? Who knows? Who cares.

The point is this: someone here on Leave side should have the honesty and decency to say "Yes, that was wrong and may have given the wrong impression" and not try and pretend otherwise. You won what have you got to lose?

I voted leave and yes it was a bit stupid, as was a lot of things Nigel has said which are kind of tongue statements not ideal for a public speaker.

Now to state that maybe if they didn't put that it wouldn't have influenced a sizeable amount of people is just crazy. If you want the opposition to agree with you then you have to take a credible amount of blame on your side too.

Originally Posted by ianch99

It may not be sensible but this was a strategic promise as I see it and would have influenced a sizeable amount of people. How many? Who knows? Who cares.

The point is this: someone here on Leave side should have the honesty and decency to say "Yes, that was wrong and may have given the wrong impression" and not try and pretend otherwise. You won what have you got to lose?

You lost stop clutching at straws, it was made very clear before yesterday that the £350million figure wasn't correct as we had a lot back in rebates. Just like remain declaring all out war in Europe if we voted leave was proven incorrect so was not a reason to vote in or out.

Leave have won, we are leaving the EU now grow up and stop being so childish!

[mart44]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Also it seems the under 50's voted for remain. Its the selfish over 50's who have decided to screw it up for future generations. Let's hope pensioners are targeted in the many more years of austerity coming our way.

I don't believe it was selfish for the over 50's to vote 'leave'. I think most have listened to all the debates and have indeed thought about future generations. Coming out might well turn out to have been the best thing to do for their children and grandchildren, even though they might at present get censured for doing what they feel has been right.

I saw a message put that, if unsure, a leave vote could be deferred for future years. However, the vote done now is permanent. This is true but in what state would more years of staying the EU in have seen the country? If it is thought that the EU is bad for our country, a few more years of membership may have seen it even worse ..and nothing can be reversed once done. This being the case, leaving sooner rather than later will have been the right thing to do for future generations, albeit that the action may not be currently appreciated by the young.

The trouble now is that just about all the ills that our country suffers in the future will be put down to leaving the EU when, in fact, we will just never know how our fortunes would have turned out if we had remained.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Rexz

I voted leave and yes it was a bit stupid, as was a lot of things Nigel has said which are kind of tongue statements not ideal for a public speaker.

Now to state that maybe if they didn't put that it wouldn't have influenced a sizeable amount of people is just crazy. If you want the opposition to agree with you then you have to take a credible amount of blame on your side too.

Let me ask this: if it is crazy that the poster would have influenced a sizeable amount of people then why have it with Boris on stage and why plaster it on the battle bus and drive around the UK with it?



For pity sake, this was not a Farage "tongue statement" as you put it.

They ain't going to spend this money on the NHS: you know it, I know it and we all know it.

I just thought people here would be more honest about this ..

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by mart44

I don't believe it was selfish for the over 50's to vote 'leave'. I think most have listened to all the debates and have indeed thought about future generations. Coming out might well turn out to have been the best thing to do for their children and grandchildren, even though they might at present get censured for doing what they feel has been right.

I saw a message put that, if unsure, a leave vote could be deferred for future years. However, the vote done now is permanent. This is true but in what state would more years of staying the EU in have seen the country? If it is thought that the EU is bad for our country, a few more years of membership may have seen it even worse ..and nothing can be reversed once done. This being the case, leaving sooner rather than later will have been the right thing to do for future generations, albeit that the action may not be currently appreciated by the young.

The trouble now is that just about all the ills that our country suffers in the future will be put down to leaving the EU when, in fact, we will just never know how our fortunes would have turned out if we had remained.

neither do i i also dont believe all over 50s voted leave