[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[Osem]

If those who're supposed to be running the show in Europe have any sense they'll negotiate the way through this to the mutual benefit (or as close to it as possible) of both sides. If they can't do that why on Earth would we have any faith in them to carry on running an EU with us inside it and entirely dependent on their flawed decision making? Only if they resort to bitter recriminations will things necessarily be tough for everyone.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I feel the person most culpable for this Leave defeat is Corbyn. It seems the group that swung the vote for Leave were the Labour supporters and he did nothing to try and pursuade them that leaving would be a mistake.

He has to go ..

MPs submit Corbyn no confidence motion

Looks like your wish may be granted.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

MPs submit Corbyn no confidence motion

Looks like your wish may be granted.

Well the political landscape has been turned upside down overnight and where it will end one can only guess.

[jamiefrost]

Originally Posted by martyh

No we won't ,the US trades with the single market and they don't have to accept free movement or pay into Europe

The US and Canada don't have the same level of access and Norway for example who had to sign up to free movement of people among other things to get this level of access

J

[Osem]

Originally Posted by denphone

Well the political landscape has been turned upside down overnight and where it will end one can only guess.

Let's hope it ends with more political leaders here and in the EU who actually listen to the people instead of smiling at their faces whilst thinking 'bigots'...

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ntluser

The interesting question is who will pick up the tab for the UK's missing contribution?
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We'll end up paying to access the single market.

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Originally Posted by martyh

No we won't ,the US trades with the single market and they don't have to accept free movement or pay into Europe

They're not on the European continent though.

Originally Posted by jamiefrost

The US and Canada don't have the same level of access and Norway for example who had to sign up to free movement of people among other things to get this level of access

J

We will have access to the single market ,on what terms is up to any agreement we reach ,it does not have to include free movement as Pierre said .

[jamiefrost]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Totally agree.

There was a majority vote to leave - let's work together to make it work.

Totally agree, it wasn't the result I wanted but it's been decided, let's make it work as well as we can.

a neverendum would be a disaster for the whole country


J

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Why would we need to agree to that? We are a big market for them. We should be in the driving seat with negotiations.

Cuts both ways, they're a big market for us.

50% of all our exports.

[Osem]

I wonder what all those who didn't vote for no good reason are thinking. I can't believe almost 25% of those eligible didn't make such an important vote.

[jamiefrost]

Originally Posted by martyh

We will have access to the single market ,on what terms is up to any agreement we reach ,it does not have to include free movement as Pierre said .

Agreed but I don't see the EU allowing the same level of access as we had, without meeting terms which have been set out time and time again.

J

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Pierre

We'll end up paying to access the single market.

Why? The single market may have to pay for access to us. That is what Tariff's are.

They are a penalty to be able to access a market to protect the native industry.

As the EU exports more to us, who will be paying for access? Or a deal will be done based on trade only!

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Damien

I can a general election and a pledge to join the EEA

Which includes free movement of people and paying into Europe to acces the single market.

[ntluser]

Originally Posted by Osem

If those who're supposed to be running the show in Europe have any sense they'll negotiate the way through this to the mutual benefit (or as close to it as possible) of both sides. If they can't do that why on Earth would we have any faith in them to carry on running an EU with us inside it and entirely dependent on their flawed decision making? Only if they resort to bitter recriminations will things necessarily be tough for everyone.

Agreed. There are plenty of opportunities here to respect the vote of both sides.

If the EU had given David Cameron a real deal that addressed the needs of the UK people more people would have voted to remain.

Even Donald Tusk admits that the EU meddles too much so it's time for the EU to reflect and step back.

We don't want a European Superstate. We don't want uncontrolled immigration. We don't want European courts overriding UK courts. We don't want the massive costs paid to maintain the EU infrastructure.

All these things can be changed by the EU and could persuade the new PM to hold back from implementing Article 50, keeping the UK within the EU and keeping the UK in one piece.

However, it may well be that the other EU countries will only see sense when voters in their countries start voting to leave the EU.

Originally Posted by jamiefrost

Agreed but I don't see the EU allowing the same level of access as we had, without meeting terms which have been set out time and time again.

J

I don't think we need the same level of access ,all we need is access similar to the rest of the world which is what we have just voted to rejoin