[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Damien

I wonder how many people will look at their pension statements and put pressure for such a deal

Quite.

This is pretty awful.

Agree with the result or not wanting the government to change the rules to void the democratic vote of the people is disgusting. That's banana republic stuff.

I can a general election and a pledge to join the EEA

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Damien

I can a general election and a pledge to join the EEA

That will do nicely. May not be enough to placate the Scottish obsession with the EU but would tick many boxes for me.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

They're a bigger market to us as a proportion of GDP.

So what. We're still a much bigger market than the likes of Norway.

[ntluser]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Quite.

This is pretty awful.

Agree with the result or not wanting the government to change the rules to void the democratic vote of the people is disgusting. That's banana republic stuff.

Sounds like a recipe for referendum after referendum because both sides are balanced and never achieve the 60%.

[ianch99]

I feel the person most culpable for this Leave defeat is Corbyn. It seems the group that swung the vote for Leave were the Labour supporters and he did nothing to try and pursuade them that leaving would be a mistake.

He has to go ..

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

That will do nicely. May not be enough to placate the Scottish obsession with the EU but would tick many boxes for me.

Sturgeon has worded it very carefully, she says single market. London will push for that too.

[pip08456]

Motion of no confidence issued against Jeremy Corbyn

Why am I not surprised?

[ntluser]

Originally Posted by martyh

"Freedom of movement" is a European construct ,Syria is not in Europe

Do you mean you have to be European to benefit from Freedom Of Movement?

Surely, the present EU Freedom Of Movement is an absolute. You either have Freedom of Movement in the EU or you don't.

You've also got to ask how it is that people can move from one side of the Schengen zone without any checks until they reach Calais?

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I feel the person most culpable for this Leave defeat is Corbyn. It seems the group that swung the vote for Leave were the Labour supporters and he did nothing to try and pursuade them that leaving would be a mistake.

He has to go ..

Because I'm sure that personally he doesn't think that leaving is a mistake.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by nomadking

So what. We're still a much bigger market than the likes of Norway.

We have more to lose from not acquiescing to freedom of movement than they do as a proportion of the economy. That's what.

The size of Norway's economy is irrelevant. The rules for access to the single market are very clear.

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Originally Posted by Damien

Sturgeon has worded it very carefully, she says single market. London will push for that too.

She did emphasise the single market, true. EFTA may satisfy them.

I'm not going to run with bilateral agreements per Switzerland. I don't think there's time for that.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Damien

Sturgeon has worded it very carefully, she says single market. London will push for that too.

She worded it very clearly and precisely she wants a 2nd referendum on Scottish Independence.

Scotland voted remain so I can see her point. The problem is, will the EU still exist when it happens and what is Scotland going to do then?

[ntluser]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Motion of no confidence issued against Jeremy Corbyn

Why am I not surprised?

I got the impression he was not really happy campaigning to stay.

Given that the only party campaigning to leave was UKIP, politicians gave dissenting party members only one choice.

May be the politicians were happy to stay but clearly their party members were not.

Having said that neither side really presented a rational case. In the end it came down to who do you trust most?

Originally Posted by ntluser

Do you mean you have to be European to benefit from Freedom Of Movement?

Surely, the present EU Freedom Of Movement is an absolute. You either have Freedom of Movement in the EU or you don't.

You've also got to ask how it is that people can move from one side of the Schengen zone without any checks until they reach Calais?

Yes ,"freedom of movement" is one of the founding principles of the EU ,it is required of all it's members ,and as i stated ,Syria is not a member so their citizens do not have the right to freedom of movement within the EU

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Quite.

This is pretty awful.

Agree with the result or not wanting the government to change the rules to void the democratic vote of the people is disgusting. That's banana republic stuff.

Totally agree.

There was a majority vote to leave - let's work together to make it work.