[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Old odds, 1/9 to 1/12 now. Indications so far are that turnout is very high.

Yup, the election officer at my local polling station said it had been busy down there, and that really is saying something in our neck of the woods.

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Originally Posted by Big Brian

The EU will find a way of banning another one.

I believe we do now have an Act of Parliament requiring a referendum before any new EU treaty can be ratified.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

As a Christian on the more charismatic, evangelical wing I look with concern how a more liberal and secular Europe can affect this country. Please note that I am not supporting anyone who would use their faith as an excuse for hate, that is not part of the Christian faith even if it has been used as such in the past. So I am voting leave.

It greatly concerns me that many Christians don't understand the spiritual aspect behind the EU, which I mentioned in the faith thread and is summed up perfectly by this video that I posted there.

The Rape of Europe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66uCnNwLJtM

It is not a coincidence that the EU Parliament building is modelled on the 16th century painting of the tower of Babel by Pieter Bruegel, and even represents the unfinished part. And that a 90s poster for the EU showed people rebuilding the tower of Babel. The Tower of Babel, Biblically, represents the first attempt at a One World Government. The EU, in my view is part of what's going on globally to try to lay the foundations for the future One World Government, which the devil eventually brings about in the end times.

It is worrying, that many Christians don't believe that the spiritual battle, that the Bible talks about, is real.

[ntluser]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

The EU will find a way of banning another one.

If the promises made by Cameron prove to be untrue, all we can hope for is that there is a massive switch to UKIP and other anti-EU parties in the MEP elections.

There is considerable opposition to the EU in other EU countries and if this can be mobilised maybe they can become the dominant force in the EU and change policy.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Damien

Now the precedent is set for an EU referendum they'll never be able to get away with leaving without one.

yes they will.

If they have a clear manifesto that a vote for them is a vote to leave the EU, and they are elected on that mandate - then so be it.

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Originally Posted by Big Brian

The EU will find a way of banning another one.

They can't, any country can leave at any time they want.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Chris

Yup, the election officer at my local polling station said it had been busy down there, and that really is saying something in our neck of the woods.

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I believe we do now have an Act of Parliament requiring a referendum before any new EU treaty can be ratified.

Good.

[Mr K]

A straw poll on the petrol forecourt today; previous Brexiters now deciding 'better the devil you know'. How predictably British. Had to wait a while as well , there seems to be panic buying of fuel for some reason..

[Osem]

Just been listening to a group of 10+ college students discussing this in the pub. Sadly, the 'we won't be able to go on holiday in Europe if we leave the EU' argument was popular...

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Originally Posted by ntluser

If the promises made by Cameron prove to be untrue, all we can hope for is that there is a massive switch to UKIP and other anti-EU parties in the MEP elections.

There is considerable opposition to the EU in other EU countries and if this can be mobilised maybe they can become the dominant force in the EU and change policy.

Policy certainly needs to be changed regardless of the result of today's vote. It's a ticking time bomb.

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Originally Posted by Chris

Yup, the election officer at my local polling station said it had been busy down there, and that really is saying something in our neck of the woods.

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I believe we do now have an Act of Parliament requiring a referendum before any new EU treaty can be ratified.

Let's hope they don't just decide we don't need that anymore while the parliamentary majority supports staying in...

Originally Posted by Mr K

A straw poll on the petrol forecourt today; previous Brexiters now deciding 'better the devil you know'. How predictably British. Had to wait a while as well , there seems to be panic buying of fuel for some reason..

There is no panic buying of fuel, where do you get this stuff from lololol.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by RBMark

There is no panic buying of fuel, where do you get this stuff from lololol.

From trying to fill the tank this morning, that's where !

[Big Brian]

If people were that worried there would be panic buying and hoarding. I can't see how anyone can sit here and say this is happening and that is happening regarding the referendum. I do notice it's all coming from the remainers in here though.

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Let's hope our exit poll here reflects the mood of the country 60-40 in favour of leave
at the moment.

[Osem]

Been out and about this morning and the one thing I haven't seen is panic buying of fuel.

Originally Posted by passingbat

It greatly concerns me that many Christians don't understand the spiritual aspect behind the EU, which I mentioned in the faith thread and is summed up perfectly by this video that I posted there.

The Rape of Europe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66uCnNwLJtM

It is not a coincidence that the EU Parliament building is modelled on the 16th century painting of the tower of Babel by Pieter Bruegel, and even represents the unfinished part. And that a 90s poster for the EU showed people rebuilding the tower of Babel. The Tower of Babel, Biblically, represents the first attempt at a One World Government. The EU, in my view is part of what's going on globally to try to lay the foundations for the future One World Government, which the devil eventually brings about in the end times.

It is worrying, that many Christians don't believe that the spiritual battle, that the Bible talks about, is real.

It is not modelled on the Tower of Babel - just because Glenn Beck said so, doesn't make it true*....

There are hundreds of buildings of that design, and I've seen some of them in this and other countries - are they all based on the Tower of Babel?

The Tower of Babel is a myth, anyway...




*in fact, if he states something, it usually isn't true...

Originally Posted by Osem

Been out and about this morning and the one thing I haven't seen is panic buying of fuel.

You think they're expecting a Remain vote then?

Originally Posted by Mr K

From trying to fill the tank this morning, that's where !

Fair enough, what area was this? How long was the queue of cars? Just a rough estimate, from the entrance to the garage forecourt how long was the queue of cars down the road? 200 meters? 300? or how many cars long would you guess it was? 50 cars in a queue? 100?

Sterling has started dropping sharply....