[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[Gavin78]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

I've been doing some more reading and watching.

I've gone from 60-40 in favour of Brexit to 50-50.

Had some knowledge bombs laid on me.

Please enlighten us?

[Big Brian]

BBC News Channel:

David Cameron has been outside Downing Street making an impassioned plea for people to vote remain on Thursday.

A Seniour Tory on the Leave side has dismissed his plea as 'Weird' saying he's been rolled out by Spin Doctors because he's lost the economic argument.

This is leading up to a massive debate at Wembley Arena tonight on BBC 1 at 8pm. 6000 people are to attend the debate.

[ianch99]

I think Leave are in trouble if you are focusing on criticising David Beckham ..

Originally Posted by ianch99

I think Leave are in trouble if you are focusing on criticising David Beckham ..

Why do you think that?

Unless you think David Beckhams political career and his involvement in European politics qualifies him to offer a unbiased informed opinion? Forgetting of course his home is in LA.

Some might say that the fact Remain are now relying on David Beckham shows panic from Remain?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by RBMark

Why do you think that?

As I don't feel many of the UK population have much in common with DB and can relate to his priorities and his goals in life (pardon the pun) ..

Originally Posted by ianch99

As I don't feel many of the UK population have much in common with DB and can relate to his priorities and his goals in life (pardon the pun) ..

So why do you think Remain need him?

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Worth noting, if we do vote to leave we can still have an open border. But we will be able to control our own laws. But it will be up to the population of Britian, if they/we want an open border we will have one, if we don't then we won't.

I do agree though that if you're rich you will be better off if we remain ,if you're poor or on benefits then you'll be better of if we leave. The truth is the benefits budget stays the same, but the amount of people taking from the pot is getting bigger and bigger. Would be interesting to see why?

I was reading today about Scottish students suffering due to immigration. As Scotland has free university education, something England, Wales, Northern Ireland don't have.

[Kursk]

Whichever way the vote goes a huge swathe of the British public are about to have their wishes ignored. Yes, democracy and majority and all that but it can't be right for millions of people to be sidelined in the way that 3.8m Ukip voters were at the last election.

Nope, we're going to need 2 Governments; one for Leave and one for Remain. You become affiliated to the Government you vote for in the referendum. Treasury coffers get split and we then see who performs best.

Leave will not accept immigrants from Remain when the latter realise they will need to sustain a number of failing euro economies. Leave will be a sovereign state with British passports and sensibly managed borders; it will then do business with the rest of the World. Remain will do whatever the EU tell them to do; this will include learning to speak German; fast. They will eat snails, frogs legs and turkish delight. Leave will eat the food of champions produced by British farmers and by commonwealth friends from New Zealand, Australia etc.

President Beckham will run Remain; his first legislation will be compulsory tattoos for everyone. Her Maj will continue to head Leave as she doesn't like all those continentals anyway. Leave will be known as Great Britain, the envy of the World. Remain won't.

Be careful how you vote on Thursday .

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

I've been doing some more reading and watching.

I've gone from 60-40 in favour of Brexit to 50-50.

Had some knowledge bombs laid on me.

Care to share those bombs?

Originally Posted by RBMark

Why do you think that?

Unless you think David Beckhams political career and his involvement in European politics qualifies him to offer a unbiased informed opinion? Forgetting of course his home is in LA.

Some might say that the fact Remain are now relying on David Beckham shows panic from Remain?

He lives in West London

[Osem]

Originally Posted by RBMark

Why do you think that?

Unless you think David Beckhams political career and his involvement in European politics qualifies him to offer a unbiased informed opinion? Forgetting of course his home is in LA.

Some might say that the fact Remain are now relying on David Beckham shows panic from Remain?

Quite. Beckham's just another of the global haves who hitherto haven't really given a toss about the poor unless there was a PR opportunity attached in some form or other. What do you think would happen to some poor needy refugees who pitched up on one of his estates somewhere and ruined the lawns? Why anyone would pay any attention to his views on this, or any other matter other than football and pants, is beyond me but then some folks are a tad limited in their outlook.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by RBMark

So why do you think Remain need him?

When did I say that? Maybe he was put up as a distraction to divert Leave's attention ..

Originally Posted by ianch99

When did I say that? Maybe he was put up as a distraction to divert Leave's attention ..

Well, it hasn't worked an I suspect it has back fired, he is just yet another multi millionaire telling the £7.20p an hour generation they will be better off if we stay in Europe.

But yet they never tell them why? Lets face it if the EU says it won't trade with the 75million people that live in the UK, I'm sure many others will. If VW don't want to sell to a huge potential market I'm sure Ford will step up production to fill demand.

Market forces and executive greed will ensure the UK gets what it wants, Infact I suspect with the removal of tariffs, a lot of goods will become cheaper.

If McDonalds refuse to sell us burgers due to us wanting to leave the EU then I'm sure Burger King will make the extra burgers for us to eat.

[Osem]

Well Michael Heseltine has just confirmed, on LBC, that in his view the UK will have to join the Euro at some point as the EU continues to merge. He also played the old racist xenophobe card, labelling those concerned about migration. What sort of privileged world does Heseltine occupy? It isn't mine.

Whatever vetoes do or don't exist, a veto is only any use if our leaders are prepared to use it. Such is the drive towards a single state that I don't think there is that will amongst the main parties so the veto is worthless. Even Corbyn - a career EU hater - has mysteriously changed tack and that tells you all you need to know about what we're being lined up for if we stay in this dysfunctional club. Corbyn's spent his life telling us that Tories hate the working class yet he's telling people to vote with them on this in order to protect workers' rights...

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Osem

Well Michael Heseltine has just confirmed, on LBC, that in his view the UK will have to join the Euro at some point as the EU continues to merge.

He said that a few weeks ago, but it received little publicity. Not a surprising comment given that he has attended at least one Bilderberg meeting.

Originally Posted by Osem

Whatever vetoes do or don't exist, a veto is only any use if our leaders are prepared to use it. Such is the drive towards a single state that I don't think there is that will amongst the main parties so the veto is worthless.

Exactly.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by passingbat

He said that a few weeks ago, but it received little publicity. Not a surprising comment given that he has attended at least one Bilderberg meeting.



Exactly.

I've been saying since we opted out that it was only a temporary opt out. Eventually, if it does survive, we will have no choice but to join as we will have no choice to join Schengen eventually.

In the case of Cameron's so called reforms, the Ministers are in no position to promise anything. All it takes is one veto and that's scuppered.