[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

We just watched that bit.....Cameron is a squirming, lying, disingenuous, ahole.

As I predicted, it didn't take long for the outbreak of 'respect' to fizzle out did it...

Well what should we expect now? It seems nothing is out of bounds, no amount of deceit and duplicity is too much. The PM can just make it up as he goes along even if that means contradicting himself in the process. You can always just call those who point out the duplicity and hypocrisy racist though eh?...

If I had a shred of respect for him left, Cameron destroyed it last night. He's proved himself to have sunk to the level of Bliar and you have to ask why. Surely there must be powerful forces at work when a Prime Minister not only refuses to answer such a simple question but desperately tries to give the impression that it should never have been asked in the first place. Truly pathetic and extremely dangerous.

I fear they've plumbed the depths now and win or lose we're going to be left with leaders who'll give the impression they're listening when they really only listen to what they want to hear, just like the Eurocrats. I see big trouble ahead as it begins to dawn on the people of this country that the choice they were told they had was just an illusion.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

We just watched that bit.....Cameron is a squirming, lying, disingenuous, ahole.

And those are just his good qualities.

Stay or leave he and Gideon are dead men walking. No credibility left whatsoever.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I dislike all politicians on general principle until they prove themselves decent and have been so let down by all the main parties I've gone green

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Osem

Surely there must be powerful forces at work when a Prime Minister not only refuses to answer such a simple question but desperately tries to give the impression that it should never have been asked in the first place. <snip> extremely dangerous.

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So true.

[techguyone]

@TheDaddy: I can't argue with that. It'll be a long time before I'll vote for either main political party again.

[j52c]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

I'm ex directory and on tps and I still got that Microsoft tech support calling.

Infact he didn't like the fact I was rude to him on the phone that he persistently called my house 125 times over 3 days.

My phone can block calls and it doesn't ring or show as a missed call just shows in the incoming calls folder if they have called with a red X next to their name if it's blocked.

So just goes to show how easy it is to get your number given out when companies ask for it

Not sure if it happens now but many years ago BT sold a a complete list of their customers to anyone who wold pay the huge price they charged.

I aquired one from a Eye Consultant who worked at our local hospital.

BT brought a new disk out every so often and charged another high price for the update.

[ianch99]

Conservative Peer switches to Remain:

EU referendum campaign latest

as a result of:

hearing Michael Gove "continue the lies" over Turkey and Nigel Farage defending UKIP's immigration poster on Sunday resulted in her decision to switch her support from Leave to Remain.

I am sensing that maybe Farage, with his dodgy past and his mis-handling of the run-in to Wednesday's vote could provide enough Remain voters to win the day. I doubt it would take many to do this.

The BBC poll of polls is now showing a Remain lead of 3 points:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36271589

I have never been comfortable about farage being involved he may appeal strongly to a small group but is very off putting to a much larger group and I'm in no doubt he has hindered the leave campaign. Saying that the whole campaign for leave has been pretty dismal and ineffective and while I agree Cameron and Osbourne are now has been I think the same could be said of Boris johnson. He has done a great deal of damage to any chances he had of being party leader and I don't think it will be too long before the Tory party does some major culling of dead weight.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

I have never been comfortable about farage being involved he may appeal strongly to a small group but is very off putting to a much larger group and I'm in no doubt he has hindered the leave campaign. Saying that the whole campaign for leave has been pretty dismal and ineffective and while I agree Cameron and Osbourne are now has been I think the same could be said of Boris johnson. He has done a great deal of damage to any chances he had of being party leader and I don't think it will be too long before the Tory party does some major culling of dead weight.

Very well put. If Remain had chosen different leaders, I suspect that they would have a clear lead ..

Don't forget to add Corbyn to the dismal and ineffective pile

Originally Posted by Osem

As I predicted, it didn't take long for the outbreak of 'respect' to fizzle out did it...

Well what should we expect now? It seems nothing is out of bounds, no amount of deceit and duplicity is too much. The PM can just make it up as he goes along even if that means contradicting himself in the process. You can always just call those who point out the duplicity and hypocrisy racist though eh?...

If I had a shred of respect for him left, Cameron destroyed it last night. He's proved himself to have sunk to the level of Bliar and you have to ask why. Surely there must be powerful forces at work when a Prime Minister not only refuses to answer such a simple question but desperately tries to give the impression that it should never have been asked in the first place. Truly pathetic and extremely dangerous.

Well I presume the reason why is to avoid getting into a diplomatic tiff with Turkey if it can be avoided. He is right that Turkey is unlikely to be admitted into the club anytime soon, they're a long way off the accession criteria, are opposed by many EU members and some of them also have referendums on the use of their Veto.

I don't think the Remain camp have behaved well but then neither have the Leave camp. When they say we can't Veto it then that is an unequivocal lie. When they say we send £350 million a year to the EU that's is grossly misleading at best, if not also an outright lie. Their spending promises are bogus too, they've spent that (fictional) £350 million several times over as well as making bold predictions of an economic boom post-Brexit against the vast majority of economist predictions.

The reality is both campaign will now say anything to get over the line. Cameron is in trouble past the referendum but so are Boris and Gove should Leave win. A lot of people believe them when they say there will be no economic hit, that the NHS will be well-funded and that their taxes will be cut. If that doesn't help the wrath of the electorate will be aimed at them come the next election.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Osem

As I predicted, it didn't take long for the outbreak of 'respect' to fizzle out did it...

Well what should we expect now? It seems nothing is out of bounds, no amount of deceit and duplicity is too much. The PM can just make it up as he goes along even if that means contradicting himself in the process. You can always just call those who point out the duplicity and hypocrisy racist though eh?...

If I had a shred of respect for him left, Cameron destroyed it last night. He's proved himself to have sunk to the level of Bliar and you have to ask why. Surely there must be powerful forces at work when a Prime Minister not only refuses to answer such a simple question but desperately tries to give the impression that it should never have been asked in the first place. Truly pathetic and extremely dangerous.

I fear they've plumbed the depths now and win or lose we're going to be left with leaders who'll give the impression they're listening when they really only listen to what they want to hear, just like the Eurocrats. I see big trouble ahead as it begins to dawn on the people of this country that the choice they were told they had was just an illusion.

Indeed. Because we support leave for the reasons the leave camp put forward and for our own personal reasons, we are racist, xenophobic and whatever else remain can come up with. I have news for Cameron and co. WE ARE ALL RACIST is some form or other.

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Originally Posted by passingbat

So true.

Not just him. Business are even being gagged according to BBC news this morning.

[Ignitionnet]

Subject of an email sent to me by the Labour Party today:

Jo Cox MP & EU Referendum

I suspect champagne corks are popping in Brussels and Strasbourg. Leave's momentum is gone, the bookies are telling the story and there's little doubt the EU machine is gearing up to punish us for our dalliance with leaving to ensure other EU states don't get ideas above their station.

I give it a month, tops, after the EU delivers the various bits of policy they know the UK won't like and have been holding back pending the referendum before some who voted to remain have second thoughts.

Leave is toast. Remain have cynically milked the recent tragedy and changed the tone, with Jo Cox's memorial scheduled for Wednesday which will further influence. Thanks largely to Farage, I'm not going to say UKIP because most prominent UKIP and ex-UKIP voices disagree with what that megalomaniac has done, Leave can't really point out that remaining is the more closed-minded, racist option.

If last week ends up being the turning point perhaps best we do remain in the EU. If the public opinion is swung by one event, however tragic, we clearly aren't grown up enough to govern ourselves, and once Generation Snowflake get their hands on the wheels of power we'll probably end up diving head long into further integration anyway, because feels.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Top tip, be ex-directory and never give your landline no. out to anybody, works for me.

Does not matter because all they have to do is program a number range to the dialer for a chosen area code and they will catch everyone including Ex Directory.

So 01942 40000 to 50000 and anyone who picks up is directed to the next operator

Betting odds have spiked in favor of Remain this morning.

So has the FTSE 100:


Do the banks know something we don't?

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

Do the banks know something we don't?

The banks are gamblers and frequently get it wrong - sometimes big style. The main reason we're in this mess is banks and politicians who fed off them. The FTSE is a marketplace which reacts constantly to uncertainty, frequently overreacting as we've seen countless times over the years.