Brexit and our government - a personal story

[jackjone]

Originally Posted by Stephen

So let me get this straight. You say the UK government are useless and can't manage the country and lie to us all the time....

Yet you are willing to vote and give them more control?

Yeah cause that makes sense.

wow... I am at a loss. Don't people read full posts - I have mentioned both going hand in hand throughout my post! We should Brexit AND then vote the government out. You absolutely don't get it! What are the EU doing to STOP the government doing what they are doing right now - ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!! So in effect, they do not have our best interests at heart in no way, shape or form. If the EU gave a damn, they would intervene and STOP the government continuously infringing upon people's human rights as they continue to do. How many times do I have to say this. They only wish to control what is most beneficial to them! There is too much greed and deceit in both.

Unfortunately money now seems to be the universal language. It is a shame our country has come to this.

We are a democracy we can incite change. One step at a time for a greater Britain! We made a mistake last time around, let's hope for our future generations we don't make the same mistake next time around!!

I won't change your views and you won't change mine. I can only assume our life experiences vastly differ!

BREXIT AND THEN VOTE CAMERON OUT!!

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by jackjone

Take the time to read the attached link and if you don't have any sympathy, then we really are at a loss! Things are only going to get worse. Again, did the EU consider the human rights of these people?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...ating-families

I'm sorry, you quote an article discussing the impact of this Government's cuts, where does the EU come into this?

[jackjone]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I'm sorry, you quote an article discussing the impact of this Government's cuts, where does the EU come into this?

Thank you for your question. I cannot seem to open my link so I assume it refers to benefits being stopped for the disabled and sick? Don't just read the article, read the comments, read of people's real experiences. This one is quite 'timid' compared to others I have read but it certainly gives an insight into how people feel.

Those in the remain campaign point out everything the EU does to protect worker rights and people's basic human rights etc. in the UK and they give this as one of the reasons for remaining in the EU. So where are they in cases like these? What happened to the human rights of many of these people? You cannot pick and choose whose human rights you wish to protect.

I have explained my reasoning and I think my argument is valid. As I have reiterated, leaving Brexit and voting out Cameron is the best way forward for our country. Both go hand in hand. Perhaps we wouldn't have all these cuts if we didn't send so much money to the EU, perhaps we could invest our funds into the areas it is truly needed. The poor, the sick and the disabled are suffering and it's despicable yet no one seems interested.

The EU do what is best for them and this will NEVER change.

VOTE BREXIT OUT FOLLOWED BY CAMERON!!

[Stephen]

Brexit might get rid of Cameron but he would just be replaced by another rich selfish Tory who is only out to help his rich pals.

The only way to sort this country out is to vote in a PM and government that will help the people but leaving the EU won't make that happen.

[arcimedes]

Originally Posted by jackjone

???? Well, rather a slack jawed yokel with a background check than an unknown!! America is an amazing country and it always will be no matter who is in power! Wish I could say the same for Britain....

Your interpretation of amazing is truly amazing. How many murders are there every year? and you want Britain to be the same? words fail me.

Vote Remain.

[jackjone]

Originally Posted by arcimedes

Your interpretation of amazing is truly amazing. How many murders are there every year? and you want Britain to be the same? words fail me.

Vote Remain.

I love it as do many other Brits (and ex-pats)!! I would rather take the risk of being shot than festering away in the hell hole that Britain will become! I will just go and check on the price of bullet proof vests!

.. and where did I actually say that I wanted Britain to be the same?

You are obviously a Witney constituent!! I know it well! David Cameron was never one of my favourite people!

[Stephen]

you posted that in the other thread. No need to post here as well.

[jackjone]

Originally Posted by Stephen

you posted that in the other thread. No need to post here as well.

Thank you. I thought it may have been of interest to the overall discussion.

[Stephen]

We don't need the same discussion in two threads though.

[richard s]

Well written jackjone, like you I was made redundant last July thankfully after 6 months I found another job. I had paid into the system for over 43 years... Now I know what it feels like to be an alien in my own country. GTHO (get the hell out) time for me come 23rd June.

[jamiefrost]

Originally Posted by jackjone

I love it as do many other Brits (and ex-pats)!! I would rather take the risk of being shot than festering away in the hell hole that Britain will become! I will just go and check on the price of bullet proof vests!

.. and where did I actually say that I wanted Britain to be the same?

You are obviously a Witney constituent!! I know it well! David Cameron was never one of my favourite people!

Talk about hypocrisy,

You give am looking an example of how our government 'causes' someone's death.

How many people die in the US due to lack of basic health care.
How many people die in the US because they can't afford prescribed medicine.
How many people are bankrupt in the US after having treatment.

You say this government only looks after the rich and then offer up the US as a shining example.

REALLY, NO REALLY!

J

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Stephen

The only way to sort this country out is to vote in a PM and government that will help the people .

With Labour un-electable, who do you suggest? Labour itself, doesn't believe they are electable otherwise they wouldn't be making labour laws one of the main reasons for staying in the EU.

As I said previously, Britain desperately needs an electable centre left party. But one with a bit of backbone that doesn't have to rely on unelected outside political institutions to force it's policy's through.

[jackjone]

Originally Posted by richard s

Well written jackjone, like you I was made redundant last July thankfully after 6 months I found another job. I had paid into the system for over 43 years... Now I know what it feels like to be an alien in my own country. GTHO (get the hell out) time for me come 23rd June.

Thank you Richard. I appreciate your comment as apparently, I don't need or should have any support.

It's not great being unemployed when you are not used to it, is it! This is my first time out of work and the first time in my life I have lost my independence, boy it's tough! Given that the government keep upping the retirement age, I will need a job as I will probably won't get any pension until I'm about 80 the way things are going!

It's unfortunate that there doesn't seem to be much respect for people in our situation, we aren't asking for any more than anyone else, yet we get less than most!

I hope all good things come your way, I have a feeling they will!

I am sure we will see many biased opinions on the BBC and everywhere else before 23rd, let's hope people vote out in the hope of a better future.

'Biased' - someone who doesn't agree with you...

The pension age is going up because, on average, people are living longer - basic economics...

You're saying it's tough, but you have a salary coming in to your family - why not be happy for what you have, rather than be miserable for what you haven't?

I'm probably about the same age as you, I'm ex-forces, and I was made redundant last year - I'm now working away through the week, only home at weekends; my choice.

I could either complain, blame everyone else for my situation, or do something about it.

Hopefully, I'll get a local job soon, but until then, I'll keep on doing what I need to...

Not everyone has the options I do, but it's about making the best of a bad situation, versus blaming the world for your problems...

[jackjone]

Originally Posted by jamiefrost

Talk about hypocrisy,

You give am looking an example of how our government 'causes' someone's death.

How many people die in the US due to lack of basic health care.
How many people die in the US because they can't afford prescribed medicine.
How many people are bankrupt in the US after having treatment.

You say this government only looks after the rich and then offer up the US as a shining example.

REALLY, NO REALLY!

J

I don't wish to argue with someone who doesn't read posts correctly. I actually commented on a post from someone who liked America. I said I love the country and I do. I didn't offer up America as a comparison in any way shape or form so please get your facts right before you comment. If I recall, you made a stupid comment in the first instance which I don't think was in any way relevant to the topic being discussed. You have taken everything out of context. I recall you referring to Americans as yokels, it is very derogatory. I assume you don't like America. You certainly don't sound as if you have ever actually been there!

.. and by the way, if you don't have money, your basic human rights entitle you to healthcare in the USA. You will not be turned away in an emergency. There is Obamacare and the marketplace to shop for your insurance. You pay a level of insurance dependent upon your earnings. Some hospitals write off bills if there is no way the patient can afford to pay. Hospitals make financial arrangements with patients to pay up their bills over a period of time. Companies provide jobs with health insurance. Pensioners are provided with medicaid and medicare when they retire.

Federal and income taxes etc. are cheaper in the US than here as is nearly everything else. You have more free income than you do in the UK. In effect what you pay for your medical insurance is what is deducted directly from your salary in the UK from your National Insurance so many people have a little more free income in the good old US than they do in the UK. .. .. and the lifestyle is great!

I would certainly pay for my healthcare as I know I would get quality treatment. I would choose my doctor/surgeon if I needed treatment. I would not have to lie in a hospital corridor waiting to be seen. I wouldn't have to wait 2 weeks to see a doctor. I wouldn't end up committing suicide because I cannot get treatment for mental health issues. I wouldn't die of cervical cancer because I can't get a screening until I am over 25 or bowel cancer until I am 55. I am not downing the NHS as on the whole they do a great job but unfortunately, services are at breaking point in some areas and it will only continue to get worse.

There are advantages and disadvantages in both systems.

If you are going to quote me, please put the quote in your message so that I know what you are talking about!

.. and yes I will stick by my point that people commit suicide and/or lose their life due to the inadequacies and cutbacks made by the Department of Work and Pensions. If you did your research on this subject, you would have an idea of what is actually happening in the country. I have provided you with some examples to start with as you obviously cannot be bothered to research anything yourself.

http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com...ated-suicides/

https://www.rt.com/uk/316524-dwp-bla...bled-reporter/

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...r-benefits-cut

This is about the EU and our government, not about America so I hope this answers your questions. If there is any other information you require, best you research it.

Have a wonderful evening.