Child abuse 'may well have been' covered up - Norman Tebbit - Page 13

TheDaddy · 15-06-2016, 16:53

Wasn't he friendly with maddy mccans parents.... hmm

MalteseFalcon · 15-06-2016, 17:51

Yes, this has been an excuse for them to get some time on TV again. Freud had an apartment near where she disappeared and then befriended the parents after she went missing.

I have a feeling that I may have to eat humble pie re: the parents if the 2+2 insinuations are true.

**Hugh** · 15-06-2016, 20:16

What ever happened to 'innocent until proven guilty'?

MalteseFalcon · 15-06-2016, 23:56

Well that's the trouble isn't it Hugh? How can we prove he was guilty of the claims?

denphone · 16-06-2016, 10:17

Singer Sir Cliff Richard will face no further action over allegations of historical sexual abuse, prosecutors have said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36546038

Julian · 16-06-2016, 10:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone

Singer Sir Cliff Richard will face no further action over allegations of historical sexual abuse, prosecutors have said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36546038

So his good name dragged through the dirt, the televised raid on his house etc. is acceptable collateral damage in the " hunt "

Like happened to Paul Gambaccini, it is disgraceful that people can make fictitious allegations with impunity.

nomadking · 16-06-2016, 10:43

The snag with these sorts of allegations is that have they been explicitly disproved or are they just not provable enough? Difficult to get the balance right.

denphone · 16-06-2016, 10:52

The thing is though mud sticks sadly as its very difficult to repair ones reputation once its been dragged through the headlines.

techguyone · 16-06-2016, 11:21

Lord Bramall said it right, rather than having the CPS say 'insufficient evidence' which implies you were not quite guilty enough, they should actually say 'unsubstantiated claims' which at least doesn't make it sound like he got off lucky.

I don't think that anyones name should be put up prior to a trial, and I really don't see the point of holding inquests and wasting money looking into things that have happened, when the accused is dead. We can't bring them back and punish them, or even prove conclusively one way or the other as the dead one can't make a defence.

One possibility to help encourage people to make claims against someone while they are still living, would be to have a statute of limitations. 30 years say? that's quite a long time.

We're not in the dark 70's now, peope are a lot more informed and able to speak up, at least then we'd get people prosecuted while they were still alive, or at least not OAP's

Osem · 16-06-2016, 13:45

I'd like to imagine that some heads will roll at the Beeb over the Cliff Richard debacle but don't suppose there'll even be a few red faces. Odd how they're quick to discipline some people but not others - thinking about the failed executives who've been 'retired' on bloated pensions/pay offs or been moved to other well remunerated roles as punishment for being utterly inept and worse. If I were him I'd be exploring legal action.

MalteseFalcon · 16-06-2016, 14:23

Insufficient evidence will mean mud sticks, but I never believed he was guilty of the allegations.

**Maggy** · 04-08-2016, 20:36

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36982049

Quote:

Dame Lowell Goddard has resigned as the head of the UK's independent inquiry into child sexual abuse, the home secretary has announced.
The New Zealand high court judge was appointed to lead the inquiry in 2015 after two previous chairwomen quit.

It's becoming a poisoned chalice.

05-08-2016, 05:44

Establishment cannot properly investigate establishment they need to hand this off onto a qualified police officer there are plenty who came along after all this happened otherwise this inquiry will eventually fail failing the victims. It cannot be allowed to fail this has to be cleared up once and for all so that victims can have closure and heads need to roll and people need to be prosecuted otherwise the public will have zero confidence in a blind justice system and even more damage will be done to the political class.

Osem · 05-08-2016, 18:23

I'd imagine there'll have to a fair few more deaths or dementia related illnesses amongst the guilty before the truth comes out. There are too many powerful people who won't want to be incriminated...

**Damien** · 05-08-2016, 22:24

This woman wasn't connected to 'the establishment' was she? She comes from New Zealand. There must be someone qualified to do this job and again if we appoint from abroad, America or Canada for example, then we will have less of the conspiratorial stuff. That would be helpful anyway because this whole situation is already far too conspiratorial.