[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[Mr K]

Oofff Rupert won't be pleased, then again he always likes to back who he thinks is winning...

[Osem]

Well I can confirm the Sun 'coming out' hasn't altered my vote - I'm still voting to get out regardless...

[Horizon]

Originally Posted by Chris

Your super soaraway Sun:

So, Rupert Murdoch thinks we're leaving too and jumping on the bandwagon. He likes to be on the winning side and I don't think he's ever called it wrong before.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Oofff Rupert won't be pleased, then again he always likes to back who he thinks is winning...

He would've been the one behind the headline!

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Damien

YouGov have Leave 46% and Remain 39%

Excellent

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Originally Posted by Chris

Your super soaraway Sun:



Via Guido

A good front page from the Sun for once

ORB/Telegraph polls Leave 49, Remain 48 this morning, amongst those certain to vote. In the whole sample its Leave 44, Remain 49. Turnout is still going to be crucial to this.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...over-a-week-t/

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Hugh

And the magic fairy dust from Brexit is going to fix all this, is it?

If we vote out, are we going to expel all the foreign workers who are "stealing" all these jobs?

As Nigel Ferage himself said on Sunday. These workers are already there and we can't do anything about it. However, some may not meet the new criteria of the new immigration policy and will be dealt with accordingly. The point of leaving the EU is to kerb this influx of migrants. As I've said before, forget Turkey. There are other poorer countries who will join a lot sooner and that means more heading to our gold paved streets. This is what has to be controlled. If we carry on in the EU our population will reach 70 million before we know it and we just can't cope with that. When I was a kid the population was just over 55 million now I believe it's around 63 million - an increase in the population equivalent to the population of London. What will it be like in the next 50 years if we stay in the EU?

Originally Posted by Sirius

A good front page from the Sun for once

Well, for twice maybe ...

[Osem]

Could roaming charges prove to be the clincher I wonder...

Seriously, I pay no attention to these polls, especially the early ones. They always fluctuate and frequently contradict each other.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Damien

But there are jobs. Employment is relatively low. If the economy slows the amount of jobs decrease.

The thing with jobs is not as it was. With the introduction of the Living wage those who wouldn't take these jobs in the past would be only too happy to take them now. This is the reason we have so many immigrants because they were brought over in the 60s to do these menial jobs. Here's an example. How many would flock to drive buses now - A task that was beneath them in the past? The predicted doom and gloom is just that.

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Originally Posted by Horizon

There's no way they could know that, but if a Brexit does trigger a global meltdown it will last longer than six months.

There's lots of risks out there, Greece being an obvious one, but the French and German banking system is not as healthy as it may seem.

China is a nuclear financial bomb waiting to explode. Who can tell how healthy their banking and economic system is when their whole system is so corrupt?

There are a lot of unknowns, but I believe there are a lot of unknowns by staying in the EU and I vote out.

I think the risks are higher staying in given the state of the Euro economy. The Euro WILL collapse eventually and they can't keep throwing cash at Greece forever, can they? This is more likely to trigger a global meltdown rather than leaving.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

newspaper snobbery is all that some people have, it seems to make them feel special to quote from the chuffigton toast or the daily bowler hat . there the sort of people who go to the library and when asked what book they want reply that thick one [it will make me look clever ] if i leave with that in my hand .

Indeed it does. When I was studying Modern Studies, out lecturer told us that the paper you read can say a lot about the type of person you are. It's a kind of status symbol.

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Originally Posted by Bircho

I think you might find there are more than a few in this country think that way.

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Two months ago the Express said we were going to have the longest ever heatwave. Eight weeks into the cricket season we have so far played two games. I think thats about the limit of the Express forecasting.

Ah but, have you noticed Summer doesn't really get going until July these days. As a gardener, I can see this year after year. The winters are not as cod and some flowers that would be gone are still there in my garden. At this stage of the year the garden should be a wash of colour but it isn't. The Fox gloves are just blooming now - a month late. The Roses are not out yet but there are plenty buds on them and the Tomatoes are way behind. There could well be an 8 week heat wave right up to the end of September these days.

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Originally Posted by Horizon

So, Rupert Murdoch thinks we're leaving too and jumping on the bandwagon. He likes to be on the winning side and I don't think he's ever called it wrong before.

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He would've been the one behind the headline!

This is a case where I wish more would 'jump on the bandwagon' and the leave result would be guaranteed.

[Ignitionnet]

Bum-squeakingly close but still remain I reckon. Leave has the lowest odds I've ever seen, one bookie has them evens with the longest odds at 11/8, but the remain campaign remains odds-on, with longest odds at 4/6 and shortest at 8/11.

That said, at the current rate of convergence both will be at parity by tomorrow or Thursday.

EDIT: I refreshed the odds just to be current and in that time another bookie has leave at evens.

Sterling is falling, FTSE is falling and the Remain odds are collapsing. This is only going one way.

[denphone]

You better stake your mortgage on it then..

Originally Posted by papa smurf

newspaper snobbery is all that some people have, it seems to make them feel special to quote from the chuffigton toast or the daily bowler hat . there the sort of people who go to the library and when asked what book they want reply that thick one [it will make me look clever ] if i leave with that in my hand .

It's not snobbery at all ,it's quite simply trying to find a newspaper that will print correct facts and accurate news .The link you posted from the express is a classic example ,it was shown with very little effort to be completely inaccurate and the company that did the poll where very quick to distance themselves from the article.However if you still want to take what they print as gospel that's up to you ,does explain a few things though

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Originally Posted by Damien

Sterling is falling, FTSE is falling and the Remain odds are collapsing. This is only going one way.

Despite leaves best efforts to sabotage their own campaign i still think it will be a landslide victory for leave

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Damien

Sterling is falling, FTSE is falling and the Remain odds are collapsing. This is only going one way.

On the other hand, 'Project Fear' requires there to be a genuine chance of Brexit in order to work.

I wouldn't put a bet on this now. It's on a knife-edge.

Great drama for sure. I foresee docu-dramas being made about all this.

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Originally Posted by Big Brian

This is a case where I wish more would 'jump on the bandwagon' and the leave result would be guaranteed.

I hope not. This is too important to be decided by silly things, be they jumping on the bandwagon, roaming charges or whatever else.

This ends up being decided by stupidity it undermines the case for more direct democracy as it gives the impression morons decide policy.

EDIT: Damien, I suspect that things will recover either way after the vote. The huge uncertainty is probably weighing heavy on investor confidence.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7026796.html

EU immigration to the UK has not harmed British peoples’ access to jobs, public services or incomes, a major study has concluded.

The report, by the London School of Economics, has dispelled a number of ‘myths’ or misconceptions about the impact of immigration on the UK. It has been published as part of a series of research publications to be released between now and the EU referendum on 23 June.

I'll leave this here..