[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

Leave beginning to run away with it: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...lls?CMP=twt_gu

Well they're not here - it's got a bit closer than the original poll.

[Horizon]

I'm cautious on polls. The only thing I will believe is the result.

[Ignitionnet]

Gordon Brown did an outstanding job it seems. Odds on leave have further shortened today.

However, I still believe that we will end up remaining, due largely to the youth vote.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Horizon

I'm cautious on polls. The only thing I will believe is the result.

Indeed l am too as there is a lot of voter volatility out and as we all know with the last general election when people said one thing and then do exactly the opposite.

[Horizon]

Originally Posted by Kursk

You asked how Celts felt about immigrants.

Oh, ok. I was actually being slightly flippant, as there is no such things as the Celts. The term was invented about 300 years ago, I think, to describe pre-Roman peoples of Britain.

As for your point on the English language being foreign, it absolutely is not!

It's very much a creation of this island using influences from Danish, German and French to name a few, but very much a product of here. Otherwise if it were say German, then the Germans would be speaking the same language as us.

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Gordon Brown did an outstanding job it seems. Odds on leave have further shortened today.

However, I still believe that we will end up remaining, due largely to the youth vote.

Got to love Gordy.

I'm concerned with the youth vote too. They seem more concerned about roaming charges than questions of sovereignty.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Horizon

I'm concerned with the youth vote too. They seem more concerned about roaming charges than questions of sovereignty.

Yup. Roaming charges and ability to get hammered on the cheap in Benidorm seem to be top of many's priorities going by the talk shows I've listened to.

Also the economic argument will hold a lot of sway with young people. Many of whom entered work in the aftermath of 2008. For years the job market was very slow and so were wages, they lived the example of what a slow or even receding economy can do for their prospects.

They are probably less inclined to risk adding more uncertainty than those older voters.

Originally Posted by Damien

Leave beginning to run away with it: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...lls?CMP=twt_gu

Yup, Leave 53, Remain 47. And worth pointing out that Graun/ICM are getting the same scores from both phone and online polling.

[Horizon]

Originally Posted by Damien

Also the economic argument will hold a lot of sway with young people. Many of whom entered work in the aftermath of 2008. For years the job market was very slow and so were wages, they lived the example of what a slow or even receding economy can do for their prospects.

They are probably less inclined to risk adding more uncertainty than those older voters.

I listed my pros and cons of leaving the EU the other day. And as I said, there are genuine concerns of leaving the EU, not less a global meltdown which I think will happen upon Brexit.

I suppose if I were 20 years younger I would I be thinking more short term too.

If you're young and there is a possibility of another severe recession lasting several years, that's a long time to a young person. They don't have the depth of experience and years to see beyond.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by denphone

Indeed l am too as there is a lot of voter volatility out and as we all know with the last general election when people said one thing and then do exactly the opposite.

The polls in that election were a lot closer I believe.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Damien

Also the economic argument will hold a lot of sway with young people. Many of whom entered work in the aftermath of 2008. For years the job market was very slow and so were wages, they lived the example of what a slow or even receding economy can do for their prospects.

They are probably less inclined to risk adding more uncertainty than those older voters.

would that be the young people who can't get work due to an ever expanding eu workforce taking all the unskilled jobs .

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Horizon

I listed my pros and cons of leaving the EU the other day. And as I said, there are genuine concerns of leaving the EU, not less a global meltdown which I think will happen upon Brexit.

I suppose if I were 20 years younger I would I be thinking more short term too.

If you're young and there is a possibility of another severe recession lasting several years, that's a long time to a young person. They don't have the depth of experience and years to see beyond.

If there's a recession even remain say it will be a mini recession and only last 2 quarters.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

would that be the young people who can't get work due to an ever expanding eu workforce taking all the unskilled jobs .

No the situation has considerably improved in recent years.

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2008 and it's aftermath is what caused the problem. The economy isn't some conspiracy from elitist bankers, it has real ramifications for people.

[Osem]

The only poll which matters is the one on June 23rd and not matter what the result let's hope there's an outbreak of common sense in the EU. If we leave and chaos ensues it'll be because our glorious leaders chose that course. Whether we're in or out we really ought to want to make the situation we're left with work rather than ploughing on regardless with project single state or mutually cutting off noses to spite faces. If the EU can't cope with this situation it really doesn't say much for its long term future.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

The polls in that election were a lot closer I believe.

The polls said it was close all the way up to the election but that did not tally with the result come election night so personally l would be very wary.