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Originally Posted by Mr K
What went on in the stadium yesterday certainly seemed to be organised Russian thuggery. But there was trouble for days before and their were certainly England 'fans' involved. They may have been provoked but they don't have to react. There always has been an element of England 'support' who see beer and fighting as part of the entertainment, can't be a coincidence its always England. The organisation of the Russian thugs is a new worrying development, seemed very planned, wonder who was behind it?
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No ones saying that England did nothing though, it's just some biased outlets merely reported England fans clashed with French Police when it was actually a case of pockets of fans from either side clashing with each other only to throw bottles at police when they intervened. England weren't innocent outside the stadium but there was more than one guilty party. The truth is they're not average England fans either, they're the same breed of cretins that were fighting over Man united vs Everton at a service station for the FA Cup match
Also 'Organised' Russians, you're not wrong but it isn't new, see the 5000 yobs that charged Poland in 2008 and caused major clashes.
Charge all the England fans involved if they can be identified and remove their passports when they get home.
Moving away from just England. Charging fans in a packed stadium is an absolutely astonishing event. 2 flares a flare gun and a firework also made it into the Stade Veledrome.
Uefa slapping them with another petty fine after starting something that I'm sure quickly reminded everyone of scenes at Hillsborough. Children and Women being pushed over in a mad rush of fans trying to escape a lynch mob covered with balaclavas.
France have massive questions to answer asap. The utter failure to segregate fans, the fact flares and fireworks made it into a football stadium with significant terror attacks still in their mind has people mind boggled.
I thought London 2012 set the absolute standard for security at stadiums for massive events like this, its clear they've used a different example.
I worked on a 17 man VIP team at the 2012 games, with the Spanish, Honduran, Mexican and Brazilian u21 football teams. It's the procedure LOCOG enforced to get into stadiums that should be the example worldwide. If these standards were used then there's absolutely no way flares and fireworks made it in. If they still do make it in then security employees are failing miserably at their job.
St James' Park, Hampden Park and some I struggle to remember.
Airport style scanner on each turnstile with a queue system for people to put their belongings into a tray. After proceding through the scanner you may be manually scanned down with a wand and it was mandatory you submitted to thorough search of all bags and coats as well as yourself (pat down) by one of three security staff waiting beyond the scanners. Turnstiles opened hours before games and there were minimal complaints.
It wouldnt effectively stop hooligans getting in but it'd stop offensive and prohibited items. They even went as far as attempting to smuggle fake bombs in to find any holes to be exposed and then patched over them. Even after the G4s scabdal, the use of local security went extremely well.
I'd be interested to know what the French policy for entry to the stadium is though. If its similar I'd like to know why employees are failing at their jobs in such a high profile event.
All in all its pretty clear nothing at all has changed in Russian football and it's doubtful it ever will. Fans from all over the world will descend into a World Cup rife with Racism, hooliganism and homophobia. What an epic success by those involved. The Russian FA are just as guilty. They've made no real attempt to remove this stuff from their domestic league either. As normal FIFA and Uefa will likely do nothing significant and the World Cup will go on as normal and be marred with larger scale racism, violence and whatever else follows.
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