[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

In other words the mp doctor was right when she said leave were telling out tight lies when she walked out on them

If anything is going to happen to the rebate it certainly won't be going up. France will veto it.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

well I think it would be overwhelming leave if we did that.

Ok, I'll give it a go.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...l#post35842214

[papa smurf]

well the remain camp rolled out three old hags last night was there a witches convention in town .

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Ok, I'll give it a go.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...l#post35842214

Cheers Richard. I've voted.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

In other words the mp doctor was right when she said leave were telling out tight lies when she walked out on them

The inaccuracy of the statement was pointed out to the leave campaign quite some time ago and she went with it for quite some time so although she and others are correct to point that out she's still some size of hypocrite imo

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Originally Posted by Big Brian

If anything is going to happen to the rebate it certainly won't be going up. France will veto it.

Our rebate has been going up for some time now ,it is based on the size of our contribution which as a net contributor goes up and therefore so does the rebate ,i think that the size of our rebate was renegotiated 2007 ?

[Sirius]

Saw this on some ones Facebook page today, i am not sure how accurate it is.

OK,.. here's a short list of financial and industrial FUBARs from the EU then,..

Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.

Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK, I used to contract out to many, then the work just dried up as they were sold off to companies from France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc., and now we don't even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations.

I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.
I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Saw this on some ones Facebook page today, i am not sure how accurate it is.

I have borrowed that, hope you don't mind.

[Big Brian]

According to the 6pm news on BBC 1 labour members are now joining the Leave campaign.

Leave not pretending to have a negotiation timetable in the event we vote out actually makes them more credible to me though I may be in a tiny minority. No one can suggest a timetable because we have no idea how hostile the EU will be or how long they may drag things out it is something that will be out of our control. Given the rhetoric we have had it's safe to say a degree of messing about will be present on the EU side but over what and how long it will be dragged out is anyone's guess.

I think they will try to influence other countries not to have a similar membership vote by treating the uk as harshly as they can and I think it will backfire and actually Stoke the fires of dissent. I still believe if we do vote out the EU is finished we would be the first but not the last and it will be a case of when the whole things collapses not if.

[Osem]

I see Labour is so worried about their lack of 'presence' when it comes to this debate that the order has gone out to turn the issue into a party political anti-Tory argument in order to try to galvanise their core vote to tick to remain box. You really have to wonder about the ineffectual leadership of the opposition that, when it comes to a matter of such huge importance, even their own voters don't really know what they stand for.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36496288

Of course Corbyn's so confused about the EU his website was edited a few months ago to remove articles critical of it.

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has been accused of trying to hide his Eurosceptic past after a series of articles critical of Brussels were deleted from his website.

The articles, written before he became leader of the party, criticise the Lisbon Treaty and the unaccountable nature of the deal struck with the European Union.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Escapee

I have borrowed that, hope you don't mind.

Not at all

[richard s]

Lets get an EU grant for every company in the UK and move every ruddy thing to the continent. VOTE OUT...

Originally Posted by Osem

I see Labour is so worried about their lack of 'presence' when it comes to this debate that the order has gone out to turn the issue into a party political anti-Tory argument in order to try to galvanise their core vote to tick to remain box. You really have to wonder about the ineffectual leadership of the opposition that, when it comes to a matter of such huge importance, even their own voters don't really know what they stand for.

You don't have to wonder. Corbyn is a horrible politician and worse, as someone put it today, he is ideologically opposed to getting better because that would be 'politics'. Did you see that Vice documentry on him? If not you should. Sums up the hubris, self-obsession and incompetence.

Blair put it best the other day:

“So you’re the person in power, taking difficult decisions, some people support you, some people don’t support you, but you become a figure of controversy and some people, they go out and they protest against you. That’s my type of politics.

“You’re the face on the placard. Jeremy’s the guy with the placard. He’s the guy holding it. One’s the politics of power, and the other’s the politics of protest. And the two are different. And in the end, if you want to change people’s lives, you’ve got to be for the politics of power.”

Labour have given up the politics of power and instead have picked up the placards.

Also Corbyn wants to Leave the EU. If he took a more senior role in the campaign it would be to undermine it.

I miss Ed Miliband.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Damien

You don't have to wonder. Corbyn is a horrible politician and worst, as someone put it today, he is ideologically opposed to getting better because that would be 'politics'. Did you see that Vice documentry on him? If not you should. Sums up the hubris, self-obsession and incompetence.

Blair put it best the other day:



Labour have given up the politics of power and instead have picked up the placards.

Also Corbyn wants to Leave the EU. If he took a more senior role in the campaign it would be to undermine it.

I miss Ed Miliband.

You are spot on with this. You would have thought that after the vote for the wrong Millband you would get it right but they got it even more wrong! The guy doesn't really know what his job is .. so what hope do the wider electorate have?

[Gavin78]

http://news.sky.com/story/1710094/sc...-brexitGermany has warned the UK it will not have access to the single market if it votes to leave the European Union on 23 June.


German finance minister Wolfgang Schaeuble said a relationship similar to that enjoyed by Norway and Switzerland "won't work" for the UK and that "In is in. Out is out".


Found it funny to be honest me thinks Europe is scared of what may come out of this with the other nations