[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU - Page 181

**Damien** · 09-06-2016, 08:50

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Originally Posted by techguyone

I'm not arguing against the extension per se but the presumption that we should all be automatically registered for something because we're too stupid/lazy/clueless to do it for ourselves. Part of being a grown up means doing grown up stuff, otherwise we'll all end up a nation of Adult Babies. Probably the reason why you can't vote until you're 18.

Fair enough. I think we should look at automatic registration though. I assume there is a reason we need to register to vote, probably so the Government know where we are, but it seems a bit odd.

Big Brian · 09-06-2016, 08:55

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Originally Posted by Damien

This would work better had a whole load of them not be kicked off the register due to the change in how registering works.

Voting is not a right that should be earned. It's a fundamental right in a democracy and the barriers to access should be as low as possible. I agree with TheDaddy that registration should be automatic, although not just for under-40s but everyone. I am not entirely sure why that isn't the case but it might be because people move around in a way the government can't check? Not sure.

Besides a deadline is the deadline but if you set it at for 11:59pm then that is when it should end. Not 10pm. Yes it's irresponsible to leave it so late but that laziness should not be punished by disenfranchisement and the fundamental fact here is that they were not late, they attempted to register ahead of the deadline.

The only sympathy I have with Leave's argument on this is that two days is a bit much for 2 hours of missed registration.

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Anyway I don't think this will change that much. The majority of registrations will be re-registrations from people already on the electoral roll making sure they are.

Be very careful what you wish for. I think you'll get your wish soon. I believe there will come a day and it's not too far away when we will all be chipped at birth and all your information will be on that chip. Much as I disagree with that concept it's going to happen like it or not. Then it doesn't matter if you move around as things like voting registration would be programmed into that chip. They already tag babies now so the next step is the chip. They do it with pets already.

heero_yuy · 09-06-2016, 09:07

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Originally Posted by Big Brian

Be very careful what you wish for. I think you'll get your wish soon. I believe there will come a day and it's not too far away when we will all be chipped at birth and all your information will be on that chip. Much as I disagree with that concept it's going to happen like it or not. Then it doesn't matter if you move around as things like voting registration would be programmed into that chip. They already tag babies now so the next step is the chip. They do it with pets already.

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heero_yuy · 09-06-2016, 09:19

Getting people to register is only one aspect of the voting problem. Far too many have no idea what they're voting for or such a blinkered, ignorant view you wonder what world they live in. Presumably the one featured on a 4" screen.

denphone · 09-06-2016, 09:28

Indeed they seem to take it everywhere with them nowadays and l mean everywhere..

Big Brian · 09-06-2016, 09:31

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EXACTLY!

Osem · 09-06-2016, 09:47

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Originally Posted by Damien

Bizarre! It's not happening here. Are you both on the same ISP? Something is really weird there. Just be sure this is the site: https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote

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No we did that on purpose.

At least you're honest about it eh?...

Seriously I don't have a problem with it apart from the fact that it sets yet another precedent for moving deadlines because some folks simply can't get their act together, whether it be filing their tax returns at the last minute or registering to vote. At some point we have to say 'tough', too late, learn the lesson and be more organised next time.

MalteseFalcon · 09-06-2016, 09:50

My 17 yo sister would vote to stay in. Her reasons? 'Because I love this chocolate and it is only available in the EU so I won't be able to buy it if we leave'.

Honestly, if that is the kind of reasons for people voting to stay or leave, then God help this country when that generation run to be PM of the UK.

Osem · 09-06-2016, 10:16

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Originally Posted by MarkC1984

My 17 yo sister would vote to stay in. Her reasons? 'Because I love this chocolate and it is only available in the EU so I won't be able to buy it if we leave'.

Honestly, if that is the kind of reasons for people voting to stay or leave, then God help this country when that generation run to be PM of the UK.

Sadly you can't educate some people - young and old. It'd be nice if everyone actually made an effort to understand the basics before voting in any election but it's not going to happen. If you ask a lot of young people they don't even know who the PM and leader of the opposition are and you'd have thought they more than anyone have the means and the reason to find these things out if only they cared enough to do so.

Big Brian · 09-06-2016, 10:27

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Originally Posted by Damien

Fair enough. I think we should look at automatic registration though. I assume there is a reason we need to register to vote, probably so the Government know where we are, but it seems a bit odd.

No. It helps with your credit rating and your finances per se. It is difficult to get credit if you are no on the register. The Government don't know where you are just because you are registered to vote. They only know that once every 10 years when we have a census.

Gavin78 · 09-06-2016, 10:27

http://news.sky.com/story/1709166/br...rue-nhs-claims

A leading Brexit supporter has defected to the Remain camp, saying she cannot support a campaign she "knows to be untrue".

Switching sides, Tory MP Sarah Wollaston hit out at Vote Leave's claim that leaving the EU would give the NHS an extra £350m a week, which is written across the side of their battle bus.

Big Brian · 09-06-2016, 10:32

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Originally Posted by MarkC1984

My 17 yo sister would vote to stay in. Her reasons? 'Because I love this chocolate and it is only available in the EU so I won't be able to buy it if we leave'.

Honestly, if that is the kind of reasons for people voting to stay or leave, then God help this country when that generation run to be PM of the UK.

Methinks you'll need to have a wee chat with her about the EU and it's implications. Give her both sides if you can and let her decide then. At least that's one remain vote that they won't get. LOL!

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Originally Posted by Osem

Sadly you can't educate some people - young and old. It'd be nice if everyone actually made an effort to understand the basics before voting in any election but it's not going to happen. If you ask a lot of young people they don't even know who the PM and leader of the opposition are and you'd have thought they more than anyone have the means and the reason to find these things out if only they cared enough to do so.

That would be nice, however, you either like politics or you don't.

Osem · 09-06-2016, 10:39

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Originally Posted by Gavin78

http://news.sky.com/story/1709166/br...rue-nhs-claims

A leading Brexit supporter has defected to the Remain camp, saying she cannot support a campaign she "knows to be untrue".

Switching sides, Tory MP Sarah Wollaston hit out at Vote Leave's claim that leaving the EU would give the NHS an extra £350m a week, which is written across the side of their battle bus.

Odd that it's taken her so long to come to that conclusion and that it's apparently the only factor in her choice.

She might disagree with the figure quoted and/or the tactic(s) being used but does any of that alter the fundamental argument for staying or leaving? Evidently not for her...

**Damien** · 09-06-2016, 10:47

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Originally Posted by Osem

Odd that it's taken her so long to come to that conclusion and that it's apparently the only factor in her choice.

She might disagree with the figure quoted and/or the tactic(s) being used but does any of that alter the fundamental argument for staying or leaving? Evidently not for her...

In fairness she complained about the figure weeks ago and went off the campaign radar after that.

Why she would defect to the other campaign is odd however.

heero_yuy · 09-06-2016, 10:49

High profile defection, not. Don't think I've even heard of her.

So the overall figure after what comes back to the UK is more like £150m a week and given that we may chose not to replace some EU funding from the £350m a week the saved money could be more. Hardly chicken feed and could still be spent on the NHS. Her argument for changing her POV seems vacuous. More likely she's been "got at" by remain's attack machine.

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Originally Posted by Big Brian

No. It helps with your credit rating and your finances per se. It is difficult to get credit if you are no on the register. The Government don't know where you are just because you are registered to vote. They only know that once every 10 years when we have a census.

They will once everybody is chipped.