UK loses faith

[Russ]

.....followed by The Dawkins Delusion......

[papa smurf]

how about ancient aliens on H2 that's full of drivel about gods .

wacky science at its best .

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Russ

.....followed by The Dawkins Delusion......

Reviews are not good ... 2.7 out of 5 stars for 238 reviews .. I'll pass thanks

[Russ]

Sounds like confirmation bias...surely a better idea to get both sides before making up your own mind rather than being influenced by others?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Russ

Sounds like confirmation bias...surely a better idea to get both sides before making up your own mind rather than being influenced by others?

Not at all. My reply was the balanced response to a position that proposed that God made the Universe in 6 days and the Pope talks to aliens ..

[Russ]

Neither of which Dawkins' book addresses but if you're going to suggest someone reads his book then I'm sure you'll agree it's only fair in terms of balance that you also recommend a book that counters all his points.

Either way it's probably not a good idea to promote the idea of a book written by a man who defends mild paedophilia.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by passingbat

The discovery by modern science that we live in at least ten dimensions; four we physicaly know of, and six we can’t see,

I have no desire to get into this thread too much but superstring theory is not a discovery. There is exactly zero experimental evidence for the supersymmetry it relies on. The LHC has actually excluded a number of theorised partner particles.

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Originally Posted by passingbat

There is a time consuming but interesting four part study on this, available on Youtube, by Dr. Chuck Missler. It covers from early science to quantum theory and also covers mathematical statistical probability.

Chuck Missler has been a Bible believing Christian for over sixty years, and has also worked in the fields of science and technology.

I will also point out that Chuck Missler's PhD is from an unaccredited on-line university and a very brief look into him indicates he has the kind of credibility one would expect from someone who has a PhD from such an institution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZFG5PKw504

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Peanut_butter_argument

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Russ

Neither of which Dawkins' book addresses but if you're going to suggest someone reads his book then I'm sure you'll agree it's only fair in terms of balance that you also recommend a book that counters all his points.

Either way it's probably not a good idea to promote the idea of a book written by a man who defends mild paedophilia.

I agree that books where positions that are backed up by facts should be read whether by Dawkins or not.

As to the definding paedophilia accusation, from what I have read he did nothing of the sort ..

[Russ]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I agree that books where positions that are backed up by facts should be read whether by Dawkins or not.

Excellent - and presumably reviews shouldn't be the deciding factor in whether to read them or not.

Originally Posted by ianch99

As to the definding paedophilia accusation, from what I have read he did nothing of the sort ..

The quick Google you just did should have shown him backtracking pretty rapidly but still - it's Dawkins right? So anything he says must be good.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

I have no desire to get into this thread too much but superstring theory is not a discovery. There is exactly zero experimental evidence for the supersymmetry it relies on. The LHC has actually excluded a number of theorised partner particles.

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I will also point out that Chuck Missler's PhD is from an unaccredited on-line university and a very brief look into him indicates he has the kind of credibility one would expect from someone who has a PhD from such an institution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZFG5PKw504

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Peanut_butter_argument

Did you actually sample at least some of the video, or just go looking for negative aspects on Chuck Missler?

Thankfully, God isn't as judgemental on peoples' credential as you seem to be. He will use anyone who has a heart for Him and believes fully in his Word. Some, God gives the gift of teaching to via the Holy Spirit and I believe Chuck Missler is one of those (1 Corinthians 12 V 27-28) . I have listened to his teaching on some of the books of the Bible and never had a check in my spirit regarding anything I've heard from him.

All I'm asking is that you make up your own mind after listening to the guy, rather than going by negative internet content. I imagine finding negative comments on many Bible Believing Christian leaders is pretty easy to do; the world doesn't like the message they preach. One of the things Chuck Missler does is to admonish his audience not to believe what he says, but to check it out for themselves.

Prompted by your post, here is the official short bio from his web site

"K-House was founded by Chuck and Nancy Missler. Chuck, a Naval academy graduate and former Branch Chief of the Dept. of Guided Missiles, had a remarkable 30-year executive career. He served on the Board of Directors of 12 public companies and was CEO of 6 of them. For twenty years Chuck balanced his high-profile corporate career with his teaching commitment to a weekly Bible study at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa in Southern California. Nancy, while raising their four children, has touched the lives of thousands through her in-depth teaching of Biblical discoveries in her “Way of Agape” and “Be Ye Transformed” books and tape series."2

https://khouse.org/pages/mcat/about_us/

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Russ

The quick Google you just did should have shown him backtracking pretty rapidly but still - it's Dawkins right? So anything he says must be good.

Wow, you seem to have a problem with the guy or maybe it is his opinion on religion?

Let's leave Mr Dawkins to one side then: Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens, Douglas Adams, Mark Twain, etc. Take you pick .. there are many talks available on youtube (well maybe not Twain ) that attempt to explain why religion is not a necessay part of the human condition.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Wow, you seem to have a problem with the guy or maybe it is his opinion on religion?

I have a very big problem with anyone who decides they want me to lose my faith.

Originally Posted by ianch99

Let's leave Mr Dawkins to one side then: Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens, Douglas Adams, Mark Twain, etc. Take you pick .. there are many talks available on youtube (well maybe not Twain ) that attempt to explain why religion is not a necessay part of the human condition.

And there are plenty of talks available that explain why it would be - what's your point?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Russ

I have a very big problem with anyone who decides they want me to lose my faith.



And there are plenty of talks available that explain why it would be - what's your point?

My point is that when I cited a source that you didn't like, introducing accusations of paedophilia of all things, I gave you other sources that can explain some of the reasons behind the OP's point.

I don't see that Dawkins is against personal faith, rather, the attempts of organised religion to force their faith on others e.g. current parts of Islam.

It is when someone crosses the line beyond personal faith into the territory of evangelism that things get problematic. Everyone, beyond argument, is entitled to a personal faith. It is when they try and force that viewpoint on others that I, personally, have a problem with.

Just do clarify, do you see "evangelism" as synonymous with "forcing" faith on someone?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Chris

Just do clarify, do you see "evangelism" as synonymous with "forcing" faith on someone?

It can be. For example, people knocking on your door, uninvited, to try and tell you about their particular faith.

Another example, especially relevant in light of the OP's post, is that the majority of UK children are taught, by law, about a faith position (Christianity) supported by a minority of the population:

Those who define themselves as Christian – Anglicans, Catholics and other denominations – made up 43.8% of the population.