[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Damien

Gove has said we wouldn't leave the EU by the end of the Parliament (2020) so this is going to drag on for years. Additionally tomorrow is going to have a poll showing a big lead for Leave apparently.

Not necessarily. I read somewhere or it was some lie from Remain, that it could take 10 years to unravel from the EU.

Great news on the poll if it's true.

Originally Posted by Big Brian

Not necessarily. I read somewhere or it was some lie from Remain, that it could take 10 years to unravel from the EU.
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Gove said it himself. On TV.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Michael Gove and Boris Johnson tell David Cameron: You've deceived public on economy

Voters “cannot trust” David Cameron and George Osborne to honour their promises on Europe, Michael Gove and Boris Johnson have warned in an extraordinary attack on their government colleagues.

The leaders of the Vote Leave campaign declare that the Prime Minister has put the British economy in “severe danger” by giving away the UK’s veto during talks in Brussels earlier this year.

They say Mr Cameron’s renegotiation of Britain’s European Union membership leaves Britain “dangerously and permanently exposed” to being forced to hand over more money and accept “damaging new laws”.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ouve-deceived/

I am loving the irony here: the voter's recently elected said DC and George back into power because of their trust in their "handling of the economy".

Tory voters must be so confused ..

Originally Posted by Big Brian

Not necessarily. I read somewhere or it was some lie from Remain, that it could take 10 years to unravel from the EU.

Great news on the poll if it's true.

Originally Posted by Damien

Gove said it himself. On TV.

So, do we think 'The Gover'* lied?

*© BoJo

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I am loving the irony here: the voter's recently elected said DC and George back into power because of their trust in their "handling of the economy".

Tory voters must be so confused ..

perhaps their doing u turns like the artful dodger dave

Originally Posted by ianch99

I am loving the irony here: the voter's recently elected said DC and George back into power because of their trust in their "handling of the economy".

Tory voters must be so confused ..

You really need to get over losing the election - move on, it's making you bitter and twisted...

Originally Posted by ianch99

I am loving the irony here: the voter's recently elected said DC and George back into power because of their trust in their "handling of the economy".

Tory voters must be so confused ..

How so ? The Tories were not voted into power based purely on one part of their manifesto ,for example i voted for them mainly because i approve of the trimming back of the welfare state ,also because Labour are rubbish ,not a lot because of their handling of the economy which by and large is out of their hands anyway because of the interconnectivity of global economics

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by martyh

How so ? The Tories were not voted into power based purely on one part of their manifesto ,for example i voted for them mainly because i approve of the trimming back of the welfare state ,also because Labour are rubbish ,not a lot because of their handling of the economy which by and large is out of their hands anyway because of the interconnectivity of global economics

So you trust DC & George with their handling of the economy then?

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Originally Posted by Hugh

You really need to get over losing the election - move on, it's making you bitter and twisted...

Not at all Just loving the .. I trust them, No I don't or do I?

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Hugh

So, do we think 'The Gover'* lied?

*© BoJo

I don't think so. As with Scotland it would have taken years before full independence. So it will with the EU. But contrary to popular belief things won't change on June 24th. There is a certain Article has to be invoked before we start the procedure for leaving. Correct me if I'm wrong is it Article 50 or something like that?

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Originally Posted by Hugh

You really need to get over losing the election - move on, it's making you bitter and twisted...

I think because it came as a surprise when the polls had a hung Parliament as favourite.

I don't think anyone was naive enough to think vote out on the 23rd and we are out on the 24th we are too intertwined to just up and leave and the process is likely to take 6 or 7 years to fully extract ourselves. This is one of the reasons why all the scare mongering is not working on me there will be plenty of time for negotiation to reach a satisfactory deal for both sides and a trade deal is wanted as much by EU company's as by us. Remain is getting itself caught up in a mess now I've lost count how many different figures there have been for unemployment going up I've heard 300k, 400k, 500k and 800k and costs to ordinary British people also seem to be changing weekly as well which just highlights it's all guesses and no one has a definitive clue.

I'm still prepared to take the chance on leaving as I believe some things are above financial cost and our independence and sovereignty are two of those and given the stated aim for the EU we will have to lose those completely for the EU to become what so many of it's top tier want it to become.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

I don't think anyone was naive enough to think vote out on the 23rd and we are out on the 24th we are too intertwined to just up and leave and the process is likely to take 6 or 7 years to fully extract ourselves. This is one of the reasons why all the scare mongering is not working on me there will be plenty of time for negotiation to reach a satisfactory deal for both sides and a trade deal is wanted as much by EU company's as by us. Remain is getting itself caught up in a mess now I've lost count how many different figures there have been for unemployment going up I've heard 300k, 400k, 500k and 800k and costs to ordinary British people also seem to be changing weekly as well which just highlights it's all guesses and no one has a definitive clue.

I'm still prepared to take the chance on leaving as I believe some things are above financial cost and our independence and sovereignty are two of those and given the stated aim for the EU we will have to lose those completely for the EU to become what so many of it's top tier want it to become.

Indeed. The whole point is things won't collapse on the 24th or the economy take a massive hit. The world as we know it will not end. Mortgages will not go up on the 24th and 800k jobs will not be lost either. As we build up trade with the EU and the other countries we can't trade with on our own at the moment it will help bolster the economy as will the first savings from membership.

Scaremongering is all it is. I thought Michael handled himself better than Major did on Andrew Marr by explaining the £350 mill figure. Let's see if the voters agree?

Originally Posted by Big Brian

I don't think so. As with Scotland it would have taken years before full independence. So it will with the EU. But contrary to popular belief things won't change on June 24th. There is a certain Article has to be invoked before we start the procedure for leaving. Correct me if I'm wrong is it Article 50 or something like that?

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I think because it came as a surprise when the polls had a hung Parliament as favourite.

So, if someone from the Remain camp had said it, it would have been a lie (according to what you posted), but because someone in the Brexit camp said it, it's true...

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Hugh

So, if someone from the Remain camp had said it, it would have been a lie (according to what you posted), but because someone in the Brexit camp said it, it's true...

Not at all I just wondered. I know the score. 10 years is a bit long though.

Originally Posted by ianch99

So you trust DC & George with their handling of the economy then? [COLOR="Silver"]

I know i'm better off with the Tories in power so in that respect yes i suppose i do ,I know that Labour made a complete FUBAR of the economy and everything else so i know i don't trust them and don't forget we wouldn't be having a referendum if Labour had won

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

I've lost count how many different figures there have been for unemployment going up I've heard 300k, 400k, 500k and 800k.

John Major reckons that 3 million jobs are linked to EU membership ,he tried his best to insinuate that we would lose those jobs should we leave

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by martyh

John Major reckons that 3 million jobs are linked to EU membership ,he tried his best to insinuate that we would lose those jobs should we leave

That lie again. They depend on us trading with the EU not membership. Just shows what a silly old fool he is.