[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[Gavin78]

it's a shame we voted to be in the EU the first time....looking at the doom and gloom spreaders it seems apparent that signing up to the EU meant you can never leave the EU

(our souls were signed away)

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

it's a shame we voted to be in the EU the first time....looking at the doom and gloom spreaders it seems apparent that signing up to the EU meant you can never leave the EU

(our souls were signed away)

We never voted to be in the EU.

Well the various threats have had the opposite affect on me and have further solidified my view as to how I should vote, I've never dealt well with bullies and I've never had a friend where our friendship was continued by being threatened. Of the few pro EU people I've met not one has so far given me a unique benefit of us being in the EU that we would not have been able to obtain outside of the EU. Like many good ideas in the past the EU is yet another example of poor implementation by poor individuals as the original stated aims of the EEC were something everyone agreed with hence the vote in 75.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by pip08456

We never voted to be in the EU.

Correct! We had no say in the matter. There should have been a referendum as to whether or not we wanted to join not one to stay or leave. By the time we got that referendum it was too late.

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Did anyone watch that so called debate on the EU on BBC last night? All I saw was the same old story and it didn't change my stance. However, it did sway same for both sides but I think in the cold light of day some of those who were swayed may rethink their decision.

The thing that kept coming up was immigration. People are obviously worried about it and nothing I heard from either side eased my concerns.

Now the latest scare tactic came out at the 11th hour last night saying pensions would be £135 a year worse off in real terms. What exactly is this 'in real terms'? I've never liked the use of this because I've never really understood what they mean. As time goes on and prices rise and times get harder the pensions are in effect always diminishing so what exactly do they mean? Whether we are in or out of the EU surely it isn't going to make any difference?

Anyway, that aside it's not so much the fact they came out with this latest scare that angers me, it's the timing of it. From midnight the vote can't be influenced by Whitehall or any other departments so I see it as a final attempt to shock voters into voting to stay in the EU.

Well that's done and dusted now as they can no longer interfere so lets hope we get a proper debate now.

[arcimedes]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

Well that's done and dusted now as they can no longer interfere so lets hope we get a proper debate now.

I cant see that happening. Its not in anyone's interests to allow the public access to any useful information. I feel what we want now is a campaign to boycott the referendum. If we could reduce the turnout to less than say 20% and or have a campaign to spoil one ballot paper the politicians might ( though unlikely) sit up and take some notice.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by arcimedes

I cant see that happening. Its not in anyone's interests to allow the public access to any useful information. I feel what we want now is a campaign to boycott the referendum. If we could reduce the turnout to less than say 20% and or have a campaign to spoil one ballot paper the politicians might ( though unlikely) sit up and take some notice.

Were you talking about a general election I would agree with you 100%.

However you aren't and this referendum is much too important to withold your vote.

A general election is for short term change this referendum will effect generations and is a rare opportunity to actually make your voice heard whichever way you decide to vote.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Were you talking about a general election I would agree with you 100%.

However you aren't and this referendum is much too important to withold your vote.

A general election is for short term change this referendum will effect generations and is a rare opportunity to actually make your voice heard whichever way you decide to vote.

Have to agree there it's too important to waste the vote. However we can hope, if you are inclined towards leave, that the youngsters don't bother voting. The less number of the younger generation that vote the better chance we have of a leave vote.

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When you talk of wasting votes it might be a great idea to do it for the next election, let these politicians know what we think of them and their behaviour during this referendum. Someone could organise an online petition to that effect. I can't, I don't know how but sites like this must have the means.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I wasn't aiming my comment just at you. There are others, one in particular, who constantly characterise those who disagree with them and their views are somehow mentally defective.

It's difficult not to when, for example, there was a student on telly last night arguing that we should vote in because we'll get cheaper mobile roaming charges!
........'course we'd be on our way to losing our democracy, but who cares!

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

It's difficult not to when, for example, there was a student on telly last night arguing that we should vote in because we'll get cheaper mobile roaming charges!
........'course we'd be on our way to losing our democracy, but who cares!

Cheaper roaming lol. Thanks to its porous borders, flawed policy and the Schengen agreement, 'roaming' has been made free for countless thousands of people from around the globe...

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Osem

Cheaper roaming lol. Thanks to its porous borders, flawed policy and the Schengen agreement, 'roaming' has been made free for countless thousands of people from around the globe...

Indeed it has. I noticed too on this morning's debate BBC News and 5 Live 08.30 that the remain part of the audience stuttered and hummed and hawed when giving an answer then said something like we need the immigrants. Yes we do need them but we want it to be our choice who comes in not Brussels. I got the impression from that show this morning that EU Citizens were getting priority over Non-EU who probably have better skills and training. Is this right? At least if we leave, we'd choose who comes in.

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Oh and on the news this morning it was actually Churchill who first mentioned a United States of Europe and told them it had better be soon. About 5 years later the EU was born.

[arcimedes]

My ballot paper arrived to-day so I filled it in and posted it. So I now I have no need to listen to all the meaningless drivel in the papers and TV

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by arcimedes

My ballot paper arrived to-day so I filled it in and posted it. So I now I have no need to listen to all the meaningless drivel in the papers and TV

not got mine yet but it will be a big fat x on LEAVE!

[techguyone]

Today I came across something that well and truly ghasted my flabber & from a family member too

They've decided they want to stay in the EU because...

If we leave the Tories will be able to do all sort of horrible things, so he's voting to stay IN so there!

wut?

WUT?

Are there more out there like that?

[heero_yuy]

Corbyn's staying very quiet. Could it be that he's hoping to pick up kudos from Dave and Gideon's self immolation?

[denphone]

Originally Posted by techguyone

Today I came across something that well and truly ghasted my flabber & from a family member too

They've decided they want to stay in the EU because...

If we leave the Tories will be able to do all sort of horrible things, so he's voting to stay IN so there!

wut?

WUT?

Are there more out there like that?

Well you did tell people to make up their mind and that's what the family member have done even though you might disagree with them.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35...-post2207.html