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Old 24-05-2016, 15:24   #46
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Re: Do you agree with plain cigarette packaging?

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I have never heard so much crap about the Government NOT getting any money in Tax. total rubbish.

I will be told next that they don't get Tax on petrol etc.

I was told from TWO shopkeepers that when they sell cigrattes, the Government gets a lot of tax out of it. Is this why they put the price of cigrattes. As the more cigarettes they sell, the MORE tax THE GOVERNMENTS GETS.
It should tell you everything you need to know that despite the income stream the government want shot of smoking.

Besides, have to keep increasing the tax. Smokers seem to keep getting lung and other cancers, needing tens or hundreds of thousands of pounds of care to try and slow the disease then in palliative care, and then die. Not sure quite how that works. Must be a coincidence.

As fewer people are smoking now need to keep raising the tax to keep the income stream going, given that's evidently in your mind what it's all about.
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Re: Do you agree with plain cigarette packaging?

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Do you honestly think a young person wanders into a shop with the thought of 'Do you know, today, I think I'll start smoking. Now then, which packet do i like the look of best? No, that one is too blue. I know this silver packet with red on is much more my style'

Underage smoking starts in the most case due to peer pressure from other people, when i started smoking i didn't give two hoots what the packaging was like, it was having a cig in my gob with the cool kids.

Only when i was an established smoker did brand loyalty/packaging come into play.
So we've established that packaging does matter .
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Old 24-05-2016, 15:33   #48
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Re: Do you agree with plain cigarette packaging?

Do you honestly think tobacco manufacturers spend billions of dollars/pounds on brand marketing if it has no effect?
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Old 24-05-2016, 15:43   #49
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Re: Do you agree with plain cigarette packaging?

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So we've established that packaging does matter .

Yes it does, when someone is an established smoker......

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Do you honestly think tobacco manufacturers spend billions of dollars/pounds on brand marketing if it has no effect?
For established smokers of course
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Re: Do you agree with plain cigarette packaging?

It never did for me when I smoked, first was the peer pressure/cool thing, then a degree of experimenting with different brands, none of which involved buying a fag because of what the packet looked like. Far more important was what it tasted like & to a lesser degree the price/
Then once I found one I liked (in my case it was B & H) I just stuck with it - for the next 20 years or so until I saw the light & quit around 14 years ago.(2002)
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Re: Do you agree with plain cigarette packaging?

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It should tell you everything you need to know that despite the income stream the government want shot of smoking.

Besides, have to keep increasing the tax. Smokers seem to keep getting lung and other cancers, needing tens or hundreds of thousands of pounds of care to try and slow the disease then in palliative care, and then die. Not sure quite how that works. Must be a coincidence.

As fewer people are smoking now need to keep raising the tax to keep the income stream going, given that's evidently in your mind what it's all about.
Old article but fairly relevant

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/heal...r-alcohol.html

So in order of strain on the NHS it's

Fast/Junk Food
Cigarettes
Alcohol

Yet oddly enough only one of the above is consistently targeted with raised tax increases.

Surely (and this isn't aimed at you directly) if you're argument is to alleviate the pressure on the NHS then all three of the above should be treat the same ways in terms of restrictions/marketing etc.

Big Mac with images of hardened arteries on the carton anyone?
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Old 24-05-2016, 16:31   #52
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Re: Do you agree with plain cigarette packaging?

2 of those 3 used in moderation don't cause major health issues and can be consumed socially without major fear of addiction.

1 of those 3 has no real concept of moderation and carries a bunch of collateral damage. Not aware of that many recreational smokers and certainly none who smoke as a special treat then undo or pre-emptively mitigate any harm to their system through activities like diet and exercise.

The body has ways to deal with bad food and alcohol. The mass of carcinogens and poisons in cigarettes are a different matter.

As an ex-smoker I have no idea why you're trying to defend the habit. Smoking isn't something to be proud of or defend. Not having the willpower or desire to quit is something to be embarrassed about. Smokers stink, make the areas and people around them stink, and force the people around them to inhale their smoke to the detriment of their own health if they want to breathe.
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Old 24-05-2016, 16:52   #53
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Re: Do you agree with plain cigarette packaging?

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Yes it does, when someone is an established smoker......

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For established smokers of course
That's not what the recent research I posted in this thread showed..
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Conclusions The results indicate that a shift from branded to plain cigarette packaging could lead to a reduction in positive perceptions of cigarettes among young people.
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Old 24-05-2016, 17:19   #54
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Re: Do you agree with plain cigarette packaging?

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That's not what the recent research I posted in this thread showed..
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Conclusions The results indicate that a shift from branded to plain cigarette packaging could lead to a reduction in positive perceptions of cigarettes among young people.

could = maybe it will maybe it won't could is not definitive .
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Re: Do you agree with plain cigarette packaging?

From the other part of my post
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Results Plain with and without descriptors packs were rated less positively than the branded packs on appeal (index score 1.63/1.61 vs 2.42, p<0.001), taste (index score 1.21/1.12 vs 1.70, p<0.001) and as less harmful (index score 1.0.34/0.36 vs 0.82, p<0.001) among females. Among males, the difference between the plain with and without descriptors versus branded condition was significant for appeal.
The power/appeal of branding.
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Re: Do you agree with plain cigarette packaging?

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Conclusions The results indicate that a shift from branded to plain cigarette packaging could lead to a reduction in positive perceptions of cigarettes among young people.

could = maybe it will maybe it won't could is not definitive .
But definitely worth trying then

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Old article but fairly relevant

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/heal...r-alcohol.html

So in order of strain on the NHS it's

Fast/Junk Food
Cigarettes
Alcohol

Yet oddly enough only one of the above is consistently targeted with raised tax increases.

Surely (and this isn't aimed at you directly) if you're argument is to alleviate the pressure on the NHS then all three of the above should be treat the same ways in terms of restrictions/marketing etc.

Big Mac with images of hardened arteries on the carton anyone?
On your list only cigarettes will kill you when used correctly

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http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...ing-says-labor

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Australians are ditching cigarettes at record levels, with the latest quarterly figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) showing a fall of nearly 3% in tobacco consumption.

The seasonally-adjusted figures for the December quarter show a 2.9% fall in consumption, contributing to a 12.2% yearly fall from December 2013 to December 2014.

Labor attributes the decline in smoking to its plain packaging legislation, which saw all branding removed from cigarette packs from December 2012.
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Re: Do you agree with plain cigarette packaging?

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Re: Do you agree with plain cigarette packaging?

A valid statement, if the plain packaged cigarettes were cheaper than the normal packaged cigarettes....

Anyhow, surely anything that could reduces the likelyhood of people smoking can only be a good thing?
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Old 24-05-2016, 21:33   #59
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Re: Do you agree with plain cigarette packaging?

Anybody that buys anything based on packaging deserves all they get. Why not put them in coffin shaped boxes??
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Anybody that buys anything based on packaging deserves all they get. Why not put them in coffin shaped boxes??
Looks like somebody already thought of it:



http://lovelypackage.com/anti-smokin...-pack-concept/

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