Motability

[techguyone]

This must be one of the most pointless threads I've ever seen on here (and that's saying something)

Can't a mod just lock it now - it's run its course, there's been nothing of value said here since about the fourth post.

You see, every time anyone, even Mods come up with a response that's remotely against the OP's train of thought, it either gets ignored, ridiculed, trolled or told it's off-topic, the OP himself seems hellbent on either digging a hole all the way to China or alienating the whole of CF (Except papa - who I suspect is having fun only).

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Meanwhile back on topic: can I ask if any recipients of Motability benefit here are concerned about the amount defrauded or do you feel this just goes with the territory?

My son receives DLA with the higher mobility component, but he was, and will be, unable to drive, so he uses that part of his benefit to pay for taxis where bus routes can't get him to. The family car is a 1995 Skoda that I have owned for 15 years. Only 43k miles on the clock (38k since I bought it).

I don't judge when I see an "able bodied" person using disabled parking spots, because I am not qualified to tell whether that person has a "hidden disability". Plus there is no way to tell if it's a Motability hire vehicle, a used car bought with the aid of Mobility Allowance, or a private car permitted a Disabled Parking Permit. Plus it could be a designated driver with no disability collecting or dropping-off a disabled person.

Knowing the system as I do, I know there will be fraud, but certainly a lot less these days since people actually get fairly regular face-to-face interviews and "tests" before they qualify. Plus I know that the driver does not have to be the disabled one providing the (Motability) vehicle is being used for the benefit of the disabled person.

Originally Posted by Kursk

Ok, so you're ok with the fraud. Fine.

Peanut was actually pointing out that there is no such thing as "Motability benefit" which is correct and you asking the question " anyone in receipt of Motability benefit...." simply proves your own ignorance on the subject ,there are too many people ,such as yourself, making judgements on and decisions for disabled people with not the first clue what they are talking about ,and before you start screaming "off topic" again it is very much on topic and part of the whole benefits/disability debate

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Motability is not a benefit paid for by the state.

Please don't split hairs.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

that's not justifying its miss use its just trying to gloss over it .

what does worry me is the people who simply want to turn a blind eye that is what has peaked my interest in the subject

Absolutely spot on again.

Their indifference remains unexplained .

Originally Posted by techguyone

This must be one of the most pointless threads I've ever seen on here (and that's saying something)

Can't a mod just lock it now - it's run its course, there's been nothing of value said here since about the fourth post.

You see, every time anyone, even Mods come up with a response that's remotely against the OP's train of thought, it either gets ignored, ridiculed, trolled or told it's off-topic, the OP himself seems hellbent on either digging a hole all the way to China or alienating the whole of CF (Except papa - who I suspect is having fun only).

We know your thoughts; we know you have nothing to contribute. It is for the mods to decide when the thread has run its course, not you and this is a legitimate topic for discussion which is why people are participating, including mods. That is why everyone is ignoring you.

Originally Posted by Taf

My son receives DLA with the higher mobility component, but he was, and will be, unable to drive, so he uses that part of his benefit to pay for taxis where bus routes can't get him to. The family car is a 1995 Skoda that I have owned for 15 years. Only 43k miles on the clock (38k since I bought it).

I don't judge when I see an "able bodied" person using disabled parking spots, because I am not qualified to tell whether that person has a "hidden disability". Plus there is no way to tell if it's a Motability hire vehicle, a used car bought with the aid of Mobility Allowance, or a private car permitted a Disabled Parking Permit. Plus it could be a designated driver with no disability collecting or dropping-off a disabled person.

Knowing the system as I do, I know there will be fraud, but certainly a lot less these days since people actually get fairly regular face-to-face interviews and "tests" before they qualify. Plus I know that the driver does not have to be the disabled one providing the (Motability) vehicle is being used for the benefit of the disabled person.

Thank you Taf. I just think that £70m fraud is too much. Cheats are annoying.

Originally Posted by martyh

Peanut was actually pointing out that there is no such thing as "Motability benefit" which is correct and you asking the question " anyone in receipt of Motability benefit...." simply proves your own ignorance on the subject ,there are too many people ,such as yourself, making judgements on and decisions for disabled people with not the first clue what they are talking about ,and before you start screaming "off topic" again it is very much on topic and part of the whole benefits/disability debate

There is no such thing as 'Moterbility benefit' that's for sure (you missed Peanut's ninja edit).

Motability is a national charity as pointed out by Taf in post 2. Are you saying people don't benefit from Motability?

And let's not divert from the £70m Motability swindle. This loss is not peanut.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Kursk

There is no such thing as 'Moterbility benefit' that's for sure (you missed Peanut's ninja edit).

This is what it comes down to is it, pointing out spelling errors. You never did answer or quote where I said that I agreed to fraud.

Also, when I've been up most of the night and on constant morphine etc, (and trying to type on a tablet, with auto correct that is a pain in the backside). I find your comments quite sad. But then again you don't know the facts do you.

Funny now is it?

Originally Posted by Kursk

There is no such thing as 'Moterbility benefit' that's for sure (you missed Peanut's ninja edit).

If all you can do is be the spelling police when you don't even know Motability is not a benefit then you have no business even commenting in this thread.

Motability is a national charity as pointed out by Taf in post 2. Are you saying people don't benefit from Motability?

Yes we all know that ,you however appear to be in ignorance of that fact

And let's not divert from the £70m Motability swindle.

Every poster in this thread has acknowledged that fraud is bad ,you seem to be using this very small figure (comparatively)and an excuse to attack Motability

Originally Posted by techguyone

This must be one of the most pointless threads I've ever seen on here (and that's saying something)

Can't a mod just lock it now - it's run its course, there's been nothing of value said here since about the fourth post.

You see, every time anyone, even Mods come up with a response that's remotely against the OP's train of thought, it either gets ignored, ridiculed, trolled or told it's off-topic, the OP himself seems hellbent on either digging a hole all the way to China or alienating the whole of CF (Except papa - who I suspect is having fun only).

Well if everyone just stopped posting the thread would die..

Off to find something better to do..but I will be monitoring this thread from time to time until it does die.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Well if everyone just stopped posting the thread would die..

Off to find something better to do..but I will be monitoring this thread from time to time until it does die.

Good advice .. as the expression goes, don't feed the ...

[pip08456]

I challenge the OP or anyone to show one instance of Motability fraud and back it up with one link proving their case.

Put up or shut up!

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by pip08456

I challenge the OP or anyone to show one instance of Motability fraud and back it up with one link proving their case.

Put up or shut up!

Golfer filmed playing in tournaments while swindling £26,000 in disability hand-outs – including a taxpayer-funded CAR - is jailed for six months

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...r-been-2813568

The DWP inquiries revealed he had even passed a DVLA medical every three years to keep his lorry licence. He also got himself a Motability car courtesy of the taxpayer.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...led-Tilly.html

After a tip-off to the DWP, he was secretly filmed three times going to the gym in June 2012, arriving in his Nissan Qashqai, a car provided under the Motability scheme.

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...shaved-1433746

La Garde also claimed for a Motability car and received a brand new Vauxhall Zafira so she could transport her son wherever he needed to go.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Golfer filmed playing in tournaments while swindling £26,000 in disability hand-outs – including a taxpayer-funded CAR - is jailed for six months

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz49PBWclqs
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...r-been-2813568

The DWP inquiries revealed he had even passed a DVLA medical every three years to keep his lorry licence. He also got himself a Motability car courtesy of the taxpayer.

That is DLA/PIP fraud NOT Motability fraud. Motability fraud cannot exist. To get a motability car you have to pay the charity that runs if from your DLA/PIP payment.

http://www.motability.co.uk/

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Golfer filmed playing in tournaments while swindling £26,000 in disability hand-outs – including a taxpayer-funded CAR - is jailed for six months

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz49PBWclqs
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...r-been-2813568

The DWP inquiries revealed he had even passed a DVLA medical every three years to keep his lorry licence. He also got himself a Motability car courtesy of the taxpayer.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...led-Tilly.html

After a tip-off to the DWP, he was secretly filmed three times going to the gym in June 2012, arriving in his Nissan Qashqai, a car provided under the Motability scheme.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz49PGm3NYP
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None of which is Motability fraud ,all your examples are benefit fraud .If someone defrauding JSA uses part the benefit to pay for a sky Tv subscription does that mean they are committing Sky tv fraud ? There is no such thing as Motability fraud ,there is Motability misuse which is breaking the T&C's of the contract but it is not fraud

[Kursk]

Diversionary tactics. Look, a continuing spat is not helpful to the discussion and it seems it may even be upsetting for those who are unwell. Give it a rest and let people have their say unmolested eh?

[papa smurf]

there are some who have convinced themselves that fraudulently obtaining monies through lies and deception and then further compounding the crime by spending the stolen monies on a car is some how acceptable and is not defrauding the system simply because its done in planned stages of deception.
its fraud .

[peanut]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

there are some who have convinced themselves that fraudulently obtaining monies through lies and deception and then further compounding the crime by spending the stolen monies on a car is some how acceptable and is not defrauding the system simply because its done in planned stages of deception.
its fraud .

That's not quite true as already stated in the posts above. If there is fraud then it is for DLA/PIP. But the OP doesn't want to talk about DLA/PIP only 'Motability benefit'.

There's been numerous posts about DLA/PIP/ESA here but for some reason that seems irrelevant or off topic because the OP doesn't understand the subject he's attacking. Yet they have everything to do with it.

As for yourself stating that you think others find it 'acceptable and not defrauding the system' is also missing the point. No one here thinks it is acceptable on any level and why you think that is the case is beyond me.

If you decide to accept (not claim) motability you have to be award DLA/PIP (the high rate mobility allowance). To be awarded this isn't because of whatever the illness or disability you have but based on what your needs/care are because of the illness/disability. Therefore you can even claim these benefits even if you are in work or fit enough to work.

ESA is the only benefit that is about being able to work or not. This has nothing to do with Motability.