[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[Mr K]

tbh the younger generation should get a bigger say as this is going to affect the most. However its the whinging richer than ever OAPs that turn out to vote on something which isn't going to affect them much. This Govt. has a policy of getting the young off the electoral register, 800k have disappeared thanks to recent registration changes. It may be good for them in a General Election, but they may regret that policy now.

Latest polling is showing a small shift to Brexit.
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9677
However I agree with the commentary; its got all the signs of the General Election and Scots referendums. People saying something 'trendy' to pollsters, then changing their minds in the final days when the economic uncertainty of a change hits them. Still expect a comfortable Remain vote, despite the young being disenfranchised.

[techguyone]

Meh, young people don't care about boring stuff like politics or the news, apart from some of those crazy non binary gendered disabled, multicultural protesting cause we can innit - oh wait where's my 'safe' space' lot.

Don't hold out for anyone much below the age of 25 really giving much of a damn, my own daughter (24) doesn't even read the news and she's a forensic psychology Masters student.

Cameron did the right thing by refusing to allow 16 year olds to vote & should have done the same in the Scottish one too. In this country the voting age is 18 and we shouldn't be making 'special cases' for those occasions where we desperately want to skew the results in a particular side's favour.

There's a big gap between the ages of 25 & OAP's though Mr K.

Oh look ianch99. I disagreed with Mr K about something

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by techguyone

Oh look ianch99. I disagreed with Mr K about something

How dare you not agree with me on something, you're a cad and a rotter!

The young may not be interested in politics, by this is bigger than a General Election. Brexit will irreversibly threaten their future job prospects an prosperity. As opposed to the older generation who already have the wealth.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Mr K

How dare you not agree with me on something, you're a cad and a rotter!

The young may not be interested in politics, by this is bigger than a General Election. Brexit will irreversibly threaten their future job prospects an prosperity. As opposed to the older generation who already have the wealth.

Don't know where you get this older generation having the wealth. The result of the referendum will effect everyone from birth to death no matter what age they are. The younger generation are more likely to vote remain and the older generation leave Take note of the latter. We voted in the last referendum and have had 43 years experience. We know why we voted against in 1975 and as far as we are concerned nothing has changed to make us regret that vote. In fact, things have gone further than we thought they would. It was a Common Market then and that's what the people voted for - they did NOT vote for a Political Organisation hell-bent on building a United States of Europe though some of us who voted NO knew that's where it would head. Never did we dream of any stupid laws or stupid Political Correctness legislation.

The Common Market was for trade only and we were doing that anyway so why change it? What we lost was the trade with Argentina, New Zealand and other Countries outside the trading bloc. Prices shot up rapidly but wages did not and it led to the troubles and strikes in the 70s.

Joining the Common Market also meant Decimalisation - a con of the first degree. Prices on some items went up 140%. Things that cost a penny in old money became a penny in new money. Since then nothing has changed. Prices rise, wages don't.

Vote Leave and take back control of that. Take back control of making our own laws - stupid laws if we want them but they would be ours, not the EU ones. Take back control of Jobs, Training and our economy. Take back control of immigration. Take back control of what's good for the UK, not the EU. Above all take back control of our Sovereignty or we'll end up part of a USE. Some say Sovereignty is not important but without it the EU can and will do what they like to the UK.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by arcimedes

Although not as bad as the left wing incompetents.

Definitely a good reason for remaining in Europe.

Yep, let's let even more workers into the country to drive down wages.....and while we're at it, let's sign up to TTIP so that foreign multinationals can sue us if we interfere with their profits

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Yep, let's let even more workers into the country to drive down wages.....and while we're at it, let's sign up to TTIP so that foreign multinationals can sue us if we interfere with their profits

Sounds like a plan to me!

Originally Posted by Big Brian

Go back to the Industrial Revolution and see for yourself. Peterloo springs to mind.

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That's been on the cards for a while but you are right. If we leave then they will slap those charges back on so it is a bribe. The depths to which they will sink? Seems there is no limit really. Threatening that cancer research would lose money should we leave was one.

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Indeed and the country would be better off by about £50 bn. after we pay to trade with the EU. Is there any other country in the world that charge to trade with them?

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Not really. You go into a shop to buy something you want.
You trade with a country to do the same.

Just on a bigger scale.

You're really grasping at straws if your only example is nearly 200 years ago...

So when you go into a shop, do you try to sell them things when you are buying their goods, and then try to cross-discount the stuff you are trying to sell with the stuff you are trying to buy, whilst in competition from other shoppers who are trying to sell the shop their stuff? If not, it's nothing like trading with another country...

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Hugh

You're really grasping at straws if your only example is nearly 200 years ago...

So when you go into a shop, do you try to sell them things when you are buying their goods, and then try to cross-discount the stuff you are trying to sell with the stuff you are trying to buy, whilst in competition from other shoppers who are trying to sell the shop their stuff? If not, it's nothing like trading with another country...

It has been known. However not competing against anyone else.

Originally Posted by Big Brian

It has been known. However not competing against anyone else.

I'd love to see you try it in Argos, Currys, Sainsburys, or John Lewis...

[Big Brian]

'Out' ahead by 3 points in Britain's EU referendum campaign

In a Poll up to April 12th.

Support for Britain to leave the European Union stands at 45 percent, three points ahead of the "remain" camp, ahead of a referendum on June 23, according to an online opinion poll released on Tuesday by ICM

More: http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-bri...-idUKKCN0X91MQ

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There was one on Andrew Marr Today said 46% Out 43% In but can't find that one yet

[heero_yuy]

But an exclusive ICM poll for The Sun on Sunday reveals the PM’s biggest EU propaganda blitz failed to derail the Brexit bandwagon.

The majority insist they will still vote to leave despite the most ferocious onslaught of scare stories since the campaign began.


The poll taken after Mr Obama’s visit shows 46 per cent will vote Out, three points ahead of the In vote.

linky

[Mr K]

The polls may well be deceptive. As polling day gets close the undecideds and wobbly Brexiters will will go for the risk adverse (remain) option. This is what happened in the Scots Referendum and General elections, where the no change option seemed 'safe'. Although they may whinge, Brits are a bit wet when it comes to change and risk. The bookies are never far wrong on these things, I go by them rather than pollsters. Currently remain is 1/3 on and Brexit 5/2.

As I said a few pages back it wouldn't be a surprise if there was a backlash in the headline figures as there was in the Scottish referendum when Osbourne ruled out a currency union. The point of that intervention, and the point of this one, is to further pile onto the uncertainty aspect and certainly in the underlying questions in the most recent polls show that there has been an increase in those who perceive Brexit as an economic risk. Still it's clearly close but Remain will be hoping that on polling day the economic aspect bites.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Damien

As I said a few pages back it wouldn't be a surprise if there was a backlash in the headline figures as there was in the Scottish referendum when Osbourne ruled out a currency union. The point of that intervention, and the point of this one, is to further pile onto the uncertainty aspect and certainly in the underlying questions in the most recent polls show that there has been an increase in those who perceive Brexit as an economic risk. Still it's clearly close but Remain will be hoping that on polling day the economic aspect bites.

The economy for Remain and Immigration for Leave. One of those will decide who wins. Nothing else really matters I don't think.

[papa smurf]

Obama's dream for the eu

Documents shed unprecedented light on controversial agreement, which includes provisions to allow US companies to help change European law and weaken consumer protections


They indicate that the US is looking strongly to change regulation in Europe to lessen the protections on the environment, consumer rights and other positions that the EU affords to its citizens.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7009896.html