[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

They have always wanted that. A bit of revenge from when we ruled them.

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That is pretty scary stuff. Better to get the hell out of Dodge methinks!

save me a seat on the bus

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

save me a seat on the bus

Don't you mean the stagecoach?

[Osem]

The special relationship is mainly a device by which the US gets more from us than we get from them. The only time they mention how special we are is when they want or need something. Anyone who thinks us staying in the EU is in some way going to solve the huge problems it faces is deluded IMHO. It'd be great if that wasn't the case because the EU could and should have been a very good thing. Whilst the last thing we need is more instability, I reckon it's expecting far too much of the UK to sacrifice its sovereignty in what is a lost cause to bring common sense to Brussels. In fact it's as unreasonable as expecting the US to join in WWII before Pearl Harbour...

[techguyone]

Originally Posted by Damien

He didn't refer to whatever existing agreements you're talking about. He was said that the UK would be 'at the back of the queue' when it comes to new trade agreements.

Big deal, as far as 'new agreements' go that would be us and Cuba then potentially, hardly much of a queue is it...

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by techguyone

Big deal, as far as 'new agreements' go that would be us and Cuba then potentially, hardly much of a queue is it...

Very true. Who is exactly queuing up to sign trade agreements with the US? They had all their agreements in place apart from Cuba that is?

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

Very true. Who is exactly queuing up to sign trade agreements with the US? They had all their agreements in place apart from Cuba that is?

I think you'll find it is the US doing the queuing to get TTIP accepted.

Originally Posted by Osem

The special relationship is mainly a device by which the US gets more from us than we get from them.

The special relationship has always been more of a British obsession. The reason why Obama's comments have been perceived as bad for Leave is because America and that relationship is seen as one of the alternatives for some of their campaigners as many are keen on the idea of an anglosphere.

Personally I simply see it as the fact the two nations share a similar culture and outlook on the world.

Anyone who thinks us staying in the EU is in some way going to solve the huge problems it faces is deluded IMHO.

I agree. I just don't think leaving solves any problems but will create new ones such as economic uncertainty which will could do without after the last decade.

[Gavin78]

I'm voting out no matter what after some stupid yank comes over here threatening the UK over trade deals if we don't stay in the EU.

It's bad enough when our own are bickering over what is best for the country for Cameron to actually bring in outsiders and threaten the UK which is basically what he did and our own government has sat back and supported them in doing it.

What else are they going to resort to before voting day. stitch his own country up in order to get what they want and you don't think he should be hung for treason?

It's like going back to the dark ages

Originally Posted by Damien

I agree. I just don't think leaving solves any problems but will create new ones such as economic uncertainty which will could do without after the last decade.

Don't you think there is economic uncertainty caused by us being in the EU and being part of world wide economics, being in or out of the EU won't increase or decrease that uncertainty because all the major financial institutions are linked and reliant on each other

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by pip08456

I think you'll find it is the US doing the queuing to get TTIP accepted.

Maybe in the EU but we sure don't want it in the UK.

[Osem]

With the EU in the doldrums and in an uncertain world I'd rather be free to react and respond quickly to events in our own interests than being tied into an organisation that's about as responsive as an oil tanker heading rapidly towards an iceberg with an infighting committee at the helm all of whom think they know best.

[Big Brian]

[QUOTE=Damien;35834037]

Originally Posted by Osem

The special relationship is mainly a device by which the US gets more from us than we get from them.[\quote]

The special relationship has always been more of a British obsession. The reason why Obama's comments have been perceived as bad for Leave is because America and that relationship is seen as one of the alternatives for some of their campaigners as many are keen on the idea of an anglosphere.

Personally I simply see it as the fact the two nations share a similar culture and outlook on the world.



I agree. I just don't think leaving solves any problems but will create new ones such as economic uncertainty which will could do without after the last decade.

There is more economic uncertainty staying in. The cost of being in the EU is rising and we'll need to recoup the cost somehow. Tax rises probably.

However, I do agree there will be some uncertainty but it won't last.

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Originally Posted by Gavin78

I'm voting out no matter what after some stupid yank comes over here threatening the UK over trade deals if we don't stay in the EU.

It's bad enough when our own are bickering over what is best for the country for Cameron to actually bring in outsiders and threaten the UK which is basically what he did and our own government has sat back and supported them in doing it.

What else are they going to resort to before voting day. stitch his own country up in order to get what they want and you don't think he should be hung for treason?

It's like going back to the dark ages

I suppose it could be seen as a form of treason. I didn't hear about Obama planning a visit to the UK but it does see they are in cahoots with other and if true, not only is it a dirty trick it's yes, treasonous.

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Originally Posted by martyh

Don't you think there is economic uncertainty caused by us being in the EU and being part of world wide economics, being in or out of the EU won't increase or decrease that uncertainty because all the major financial institutions are linked and reliant on each other

As I've stated there is more economic uncertainty staying in. The way the EU is going the economy could easily crash which will effect us more if we stay in than it would if we leave.

'Treasonous'???

We're getting a bit silly now, boys and girls....

Be careful, you're starting to sound like the SNP Indie Reffers....

[QUOTE=Big Brian;35834060]

Originally Posted by Damien

As I've stated there is more economic uncertainty staying in. The way the EU is going the economy could easily crash which will effect us more if we stay in than it would if we leave.

You may well be correct ,after all we are often told by our chancellor that the economic forecast is uncertain ,i just don't see how ,as Damien suggested, that, that uncertainty would be increased by us leaving when all the major institutions are linked ,if one crashes they all crash whether in the EU or not

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Hugh

'Treasonous'???

We're getting a bit silly now, boys and girls....

Be careful, you're starting to sound like the SNP Indie Reffers....

The hyperbole is certainly flowing.