Just one in four support David Cameron over decision to spend billions on foriegn aid

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Is not technically true the same as not true?

Only technically.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Maggy.,
If you thought that l don't know about poverty. I was brought up in poverty, admittedly, like in foreign countries.

BUT, I grew up in Hammersmith, And l knew what poverty was like. Getting food from the rubbish tips of markets, having to sell rags, to get money. Wearing holes in my trousers that you could see me underwear.

Washing in freezing cold water, having to go to the local baths, to have a decent wash.

Going to school wearing wellington boots, because my parents couldn't afford shoes.

I can fully understand that this country has foreign aid. And DC is proud to increase it each year.

BUT, we have problems at home. And he should sort those problems out, before giving our money freely abroad.

Just think ONE countries AID, could solve the NHS problems. And give the staff decent wages. And stop the Junior Doctors strike

And another countries AID, could be given to FOOD BANK charities.

There is other worthy areas that this could be done.

I am talking about ONE YEARS AID, could solve these

So yes, l do know what poverty is like

Just how old are you Arthur?

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Just how old are you Arthur?

I would hazard a guess that he was born in the early 1950's. About 1952?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

You are doing their dirty work for them. When they've managed to extract all they can from the legally avoided tax monies of the rich and then set their sights on your money, don't say that I didn't warn you.

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I know. It seems that it's not technically true but it still isn't right, imo.

Mate, you were moaning just the other day that you were going to get rid of half your property and pay of debts because of the amount of tax you were expected to pay, part of the reason for that is because certain people and companies won't pay the tax what's due and embroil themselves in all sorts of shenanigans and aggressive schemes to avoid or evade at everyone else including yourselves expense

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Originally Posted by Kursk

I would hazard a guess that he was born in the early 1950's. About 1952?

Looking at his user name and join date I'd say 1955...

Originally Posted by Kursk

I would hazard a guess that he was born in the early 1950's. About 1952?

Well so was I and I don't recall seeing that sort of poverty in England...That's from pre welfare system that is..

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Well so was I and I don't recall seeing that sort of poverty in England...That's from pre welfare system that is..

he accurately described my memories of childhood some people had nothing
i remember collecting rags to sell so my friends mum could buy food etc,
1 tap cold water only
2 tin bath hung up in the yard [bath on sunday ]same water for whole family dad first then mum followed by the kids in order of age.
3 washing clothes in a copper boiler then a dolly tub
4 no arse in your pants was the norm
the good old days

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Mate, you were moaning just the other day that you were going to get rid of half your property and pay of debts because of the amount of tax you were expected to pay, part of the reason for that is because certain people and companies won't pay the tax what's due and embroil themselves in all sorts of shenanigans and aggressive schemes to avoid or evade at everyone else including yourselves expense

You really think that if governments managed to extract all the tax they feel they are owed from corporations that they would stop hounding the rest of us for what they feel we owe? Get real! Governments are a bottomless pit with regards to tax.

[Taf]

This "aid" is often, I think we should admit it, bribes to keep certain governments on our side and buying UK products and services.

Some of it gets to where, and whom, "we" intended. But a lot doesn't. And "we" are not consulted on it's distribution.

Until the misuse is stopped, so should aid.

And to set a specific percentage of income to it does tie the hands of future governments who may have worse financial problems than we have at the moment.

Cuts in budgets and services at the same time as BORROWING money to send abroad does seem rather crass to me.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

You really think that if governments managed to extract all the tax they feel they are owed from corporations that they would stop hounding the rest of us for what they feel we owe? Get real! Governments are a bottomless pit with regards to tax.

There's only one way to find out...

[ianch99]

It is depressing that when the Government has cut public spending on local government to such a point that it is less that the 0.7% GBP that we spend on helping the world poor, the outcry isn't that the Government has made such drastic cuts to our public services, it is that we should be spending the 0.7% on foreign aid!

How selfish and self-centred has this country become? The 5th largest economy in the world, an economic system that facilitates and encourages tax evasion & avoidance to the tune of tens of billions and we begrudge helping those who have nothing .. shame ..

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Maggy.,
If you thought that l don't know about poverty. I was brought up in poverty, admittedly, like in foreign countries.

BUT, I grew up in Hammersmith, And l knew what poverty was like. Getting food from the rubbish tips of markets, having to sell rags, to get money. Wearing holes in my trousers that you could see me underwear.

Washing in freezing cold water, having to go to the local baths, to have a decent wash.

Going to school wearing wellington boots, because my parents couldn't afford shoes.

I can fully understand that this country has foreign aid. And DC is proud to increase it each year.

BUT, we have problems at home. And he should sort those problems out, before giving our money freely abroad.

Just think ONE countries AID, could solve the NHS problems. And give the staff decent wages. And stop the Junior Doctors strike

And another countries AID, could be given to FOOD BANK charities.

There is other worthy areas that this could be done.

I am talking about ONE YEARS AID, could solve these

So yes, l do know what poverty is like

Were you forced to be a child soldier?
Did you have to walk for four hours a day just to get water? (not neccasarily clean)
Were you subject to torture ?
Were you subject to famine ?


You (as per usual have absoloutely) no clue what poverty is , yes you had it hard but what you allegedly experienced is nothing compared to what people are currently experiencing in some countries

It amazes me that as someone who claims to have experienced some aspects of poverty you would wish to see anyone in that situation regardless of ethnicity or nationality

Or, could it be that your usual motives that lurk under the surface of every post you make be the real reason........

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Just to give you my date of birth - its 28/12/1951 - which makes me 64 (65 in December).

When l was born, there was 2 TV channels, l used to pay money into our TV - coin slot telly.

Poverty, was big when l was brought up. Shops closed on a Sunday. When l grew up, we had to buy patches for trousers, the house l was brought up in. We had to boile the water, as the pipes were dirty.

Phone was a luxury, We got most of food from the waste of Hammersmith Market. We would go down on a Saturday night, when they threw all the food onto a pile. And had to push people out of the way to get the good stuff.
Plus there is more.

Yes, poverty was real and l made a vow to my Scottish wife, that l would NEVER go back to those days.

Sadly, those times are coming back.

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http://www.itv.com/news/border/updat...record-levels/

This is my main argument, DC spending millions on overseas aid.

There should be more to solve this problem

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

http://www.itv.com/news/border/updat...record-levels/

This is my main argument, DC spending millions on overseas aid.

There should be more to solve this problem

so you would take money from the poor of the world to solve the problem of food banks? Is that the only recourse available?

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Just to give you my date of birth - its 28/12/1951 - which makes me 64 (65 in December).

When l was born, there was 2 TV channels, l used to pay money into our TV - coin slot telly.

Poverty, was big when l was brought up. Shops closed on a Sunday. When l grew up, we had to buy patches for trousers, the house l was brought up in. We had to boile the water, as the pipes were dirty.

Phone was a luxury, We got most of food from the waste of Hammersmith Market. We would go down on a Saturday night, when they threw all the food onto a pile. And had to push people out of the way to get the good stuff.
Plus there is more.

Yes, poverty was real and l made a vow to my Scottish wife, that l would NEVER go back to those days.

Sadly, those times are coming back.

---------- Post added at 20:21 ---------- Previous post was at 19:30 ----------

http://www.itv.com/news/border/updat...record-levels/

This is my main argument, DC spending millions on overseas aid.

There should be more to solve this problem

Just two TV channels does not add up to poverty..At least you has a TV. The rest of it was the leftover attitude of may do and recycle. I had clothes that my mother remodelled from her old clothes on her old electric sowing machine.It wasn't that we were poor it was just what people did in the 40s,50s and 60s..She used cheaper cuts of meat because having lived through the war that's what lots of people did and not because we were poor.

Sorry Arthur Maybe you were poor but I saw what real poverty was back then.I spent the first 6 years of my life in Nigeria where my father worked for the Colonial Service as a Medic. He went out into the bush to give medical aid such as vaccinations,give help to pregnant native women,deal with some pretty exotic diseases such as sleeping sickness,malaria,elephantiasis so and so forth.No NHS,no running water,no way to keep food fresh..and in some parts of the world such poverty still exists.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by ianch99

so you would take money from the poor of the world to solve the problem of food banks? Is that the only recourse available?

we send money to poor country's who put satellites into orbit ,country's where every one owns a Kalashnikov ak47 , country's with huge military's and huge military budgets ,all art is saying is look after our own first is that such a crime ? .