[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Not referring to MPS. I'm referring to the Royal Mail unaddressed mail opt out which they hide away on their site.
https://personal.help.royalmail.com/...al-material%3F
If registered with this you should receive no unaddressed mail from RM (which would include this leaflet).

It is not possible for Royal Mail to separate material you don’t want from those you do want

For example: advertising offers or leaflets from material from Central and Local Government and other public bodies.

Opting out from Royal Mail Door to Door stops all unaddressed items from being delivered by us (although we do work with Government to get a message to every UK address in exceptional circumstances). Election material is not delivered by the Door to Door service and is therefore not affected by this opt out.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by pip08456

It is not possible for Royal Mail to separate material you don’t want from those you do want

For example: advertising offers or leaflets from material from Central and Local Government and other public bodies.

Opting out from Royal Mail Door to Door stops all unaddressed items from being delivered by us (although we do work with Government to get a message to every UK address in exceptional circumstances). Election material is not delivered by the Door to Door service and is therefore not affected by this opt out.

Well, we'll see if I get one. I'd argue these aren't exceptional circumstances ie. not a nuclear war.
If I do get one, that Freepost address will come in handy !

[pip08456]

Hopefully thse will start to give us some facts.

"38 Degrees is working with Full Fact, the fact-checking charity that's independent of us and everyone else. They can fact-check the EU Referendum - debunking myths and shedding light on half-truths."

They will be taking a totally independant look at this and will not have a foot in either camp.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Hopefully thse will start to give us some facts.

"38 Degrees is working with Full Fact, the fact-checking charity that's independent of us and everyone else. They can fact-check the EU Referendum - debunking myths and shedding light on half-truths."

They will be taking a totally independant look at this and will not have a foot in either camp.

Good, that's the leaflet we should all be getting. I'm edging towards leave again, I can see all the benefits in staying in for the rich and powerful in big business but what's in it for the little guy on the street

[Big Brian]

Originally from Damien:

Well we'll have less influence in the EU if we leave, no right to veto, no ability to vote for EU regulations. More influence on our own laws depending exactly what trade deals we have (despite what Brexiters say, trade deals can demand national laws be passed). World wide I am not sure how we would have more influence.

No right to veto: Why would we want the right to veto if it doesn't effect the UK? Yes there may be some things regarding trade but there would be no need for veto if we negotiate the right deal.

No ability to vote for EU regulations: Do we have that right now? What I mean is, are these regulations not imposed on us anyway?

More influence on our own laws depending exactly what trade deals we have: Is this not a Brexit argument? Of course we will have a say, we will be making the deals.

Trade laws have to be passed worldwide: Well of course they do and because we will be making those deals, we will have a big say. Do you Remainers really believe no one will want to trade with the UK should we leave the EU? Do you really believe the EU would be so spiteful against the UK if we leave? That would not be in their interest.

The truth is we are likely to have less influence by remaining. The EU will see us as weak and probably to seek to take advantage of us. For example. Say they want to impose more stupid laws on us. They will look at a remain vote as us saying we're happy to go on the way things are. Why should they then give us reforms? We vote to stay it's like giving them the green light to carry on regardless. Imagine a group of workers going on strike for better conditions and returning after a month with nothing. The boss won't take them seriously next time. So it will be with the EU should we remain.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Good, that's the leaflet we should all be getting. I'm edging towards leave again, I can see all the benefits in staying in for the rich and powerful in big business but what's in it for the little guy on the street

the bill .

[heero_yuy]

Dear Heero Yuy,

Parliament is going to debate the petition you signed – “STOP CAMERON spending British taxpayers’ money on Pro-EU Referendum leaflets”.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/116762

The debate is scheduled for 9 May 2016.

Once the debate has happened, we’ll email you a video and transcript.

Thanks,
The Petitions team
UK Government and Parliament

Too late to stop it but not too late for censure.

[arcimedes]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Hopefully thse will start to give us some facts.

"38 Degrees is working with Full Fact, the fact-checking charity that's independent of us and everyone else. They can fact-check the EU Referendum - debunking myths and shedding light on half-truths."

They will be taking a totally independant look at this and will not have a foot in either camp.

Facts yes but neither side will agree with their opinion.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Too late to stop it but not too late for censure.

So what's the point debating it. What's done is done but they could take that £9 m off what they can spend when the campaign proper begins.

[ntluser]

Given that David Cameron is only giving reasons why we should remain in the EU, it does make you wonder what he is hiding from us about the advantages of leaving.

Having the ability to control the number of EU migrants is a great advantage since we cannot keep them out at the moment and the EU is happy for them to come to the UK despite the excessive demands they make on UK resources.

If we stay in we cannot avoid paying the 0.7% of GNP in Foreign Aid even if the recipients don't need it or it is wasted and people in the UK suffer through lack of money as a consequence.

As for influence, over the years we have objected to a number of EU issues but our objections have been ignored. Basically, the Europeans don't like us.

I think that David Cameron is looking at the EU through rose-tinted spectacles wanting to belong to an organisation that does not really want us as a true partner but is happy to take our nation's financial contribution.

Even if the EU remain group does win the EU referendum there is no guarantee that the agreed deal will not be negated and made worthless in the "fine detail" discussions that follow the referendum outcome. Unfortunately, by then we will be committed to staying.

I'd love people to be brave enough to vote for leaving if only to see what the EU's reaction will be to not receiving our EU contribution. I suspect that there will be an element of panic as they ponder how to fill the financial gap left by the UK brexit.

I just hope that our businesses which export to Europe have discussed with their customers what happens to prices etc if we do leave.

The feeling I get is that a lot of people feel that this is a done deal and that the remain campaign will be successful. If they do win we will have thrown away our sovreignty and independence as the EU does not respect out views anyway.

I suspect that the EU has conned Cameron into believing he has a better deal but that the truth will come out once the British people have voted. The sad truth about politicians is they operate in their own interests not in the interests of the British public.

It will be interesting to see what happens both at and after the Referendum vote.

[Osem]

Whatever deal he's got, senior Eurocrats are on record as saying there can be no guarantees that any changes will be legally binding for eternity. It's entirely possible and highly likely that in time new deals will be done which take away further powers from the individual states - indeed that's the state aim of the EU isn't it? It's called a single state.

We still haven't had our Euro propaganda yet but based on what I've heard of it I'd have a lot more respect for HMG if they'd at least acknowledged the known problems which face us by remaining inside the 'union'.

[ntluser]

Originally Posted by Osem

Whatever deal he's got, senior Eurocrats are on record as saying there can be no guarantees that any changes will be legally binding for eternity. It's entirely possible and highly likely that in time new deals will be done which take away further powers from the individual states - indeed that's the state aim of the EU isn't it? It's called a single state.

We still haven't had our Euro propaganda yet but based on what I've heard of it I'd have a lot more respect for HMG if they'd at least acknowledged the known problems which face us by remaining inside the 'union'.

I think the problem is that if they acknowledge them it is likely to get people voting to leave and government policy is to remain.

The unfair way in which David Cameron is running the campaign shows he is desperate for the UK to stay in but the Mossack Fonseca situation has not helped him.

There are definitely trust issues and hopefully more people will vote to leave. Maybe then he can focus all his attention on developing the British economy, which needs to be greatly diversified.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by ntluser

I think the problem is that if they acknowledge them it is likely to get people voting to leave and government policy is to remain.

The unfair way in which David Cameron is running the campaign shows he is desperate for the UK to stay in but the Mossack Fonseca situation has not helped him.

There are definitely trust issues and hopefully more people will vote to leave. Maybe then he can focus all his attention on developing the British economy, which needs to be greatly diversified.

I seem to remember Cameron saying if he didn't get the best deal for Britain he'd campaign to leave so why isn't he? What he got from the EU was SFA.

[Osem]

Today during PMQ's Cameron insisted we have full control of our borders in answer to a question which cited proof that we have no such control i.e. the vast numbers who have the right and have chosen to come here. That's pretty poor IMHO. If he'd tied to argue that the current level of migration is good for the UK that would have been something but he didn't do himself any favours by refusing to accept that there is a downside.

[Bircho]

Given that now the sides who get the funding are announced and that both sides get one free leaflet drop (which at 33p each will cost about £9 million each side to get to 27 million households) on top of their other £7 million, can someone tell me where I return the leave leaflet to when I get it, please?