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[heero_yuy]

ANGRY posties could deliver a blow to David Cameron’s referendum campaign by binning his pro-EU leaflets.

They are incensed that the PM wants to increase their workload by getting them to deliver his message to every British home.

Some rebels are threatening to dump the 16-page booklets while others are urging their union to demand extra pay for the service.

Linky

The propaganda might not make it to your bin yet.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Linky

The propaganda might not make it to your bin yet.

i am in the same union as the posties if it is delivered its going straight in the bin anyway

[Gavin78]

I'm sticking a NO JUNK mail on my door so the postman knows

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Linky

The propaganda might not make it to your bin yet.

Yet they don't mind posting other leaflets/carp through the door - if they bin them, they should be disciplined; what next, they decide they don't want to post UKIP/Lib Dem/etc leaflets through your letterbox?

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i am in the same union as the posties if it is delivered its going straight in the bin anyway

Oh I might have a read. Need a good laugh at the moment. Anyhoo it's only gonna tell us what they have been saying all along so why waste money putting it in print?

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Linky

The propaganda might not make it to your bin yet.

Well I'll need to burn some rubbish in the garden so it will make good kindling.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Yet they don't mind posting other leaflets/carp through the door - if they bin them, they should be disciplined; what next, they decide they don't want to post UKIP/Lib Dem/etc leaflets through your letterbox?

Not sure on that one. I'm not sure of the legality of the postie delivering leaflets. Do they have to deliver them?

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

Not sure on that one. I'm not sure of the legality of the postie delivering leaflets. Do they have to deliver them?

It depends on whether the leaflet is classified as "post". That is the only thing they are legally obliged to deliver AFAIK.

IMHO unless it's in a personally addressed envelope then it's not post.

Originally Posted by Big Brian

Not sure on that one. I'm not sure of the legality of the postie delivering leaflets. Do they have to deliver them?

Fairly sure they do simply because it's their job and that's what they get paid to do ,they have no more right to refuse to deliver the leaflets than you or I have to only do selective bits of our jobs

[pip08456]

The answer's here https://personal.help.royalmail.com/...al-material%3F

[Sirius]

To quote a post i saw on Facebook

A farmer named Sam was overseeing his herd in a remote hilly pasture in Hereford when suddenly a brand-new BMW advanced toward him out of a cloud of dust.

The driver, a young man in a Brioni® suit, Gucci® shoes, RayBan® sunglasses and YSL® tie, leaned out the window and asked the farmer, "If I tell you exactly how many cows and calves you have in your herd, will you give me a calf?"
Sam looks at the man, who obviously is a yuppie, then looks at his peacefully grazing animals and calmly answers, "Sure, why not?"

The yuppie parks his car, whips out his Dell® notebook computer, connects it to his Cingular RAZR V3® cell phone, and surfs to a NASA page on the Internet, where he calls up a GPS satellite to get an exact fix on his location which he then feeds to another NASA satellite that scans the area in an ultra-high-resolution photo.

The young man then opens the digital photo in Adobe Photoshop® and exports it to an image processing facility in Hamburg, Germany ...

Within seconds, he receives an email on his Palm Pilot® that the image has been processed and the data stored. He then accesses an MS-SQL®
database through an ODBC connected Excel® spreadsheet with email on his Blackberry® and, after a few minutes, receives a response.

Finally, he prints out a full-colour, 150-page report on his hi-tech, miniaturized HP LaserJet® printer, turns to the Farmer and says, "You have exactly 1,586 cows and calves."

"That's right. Well, I guess you can take one of my calves," says Sam.

He watches the young man select one of the animals and looks on with amusement as the young man stuffs it into the trunk of his car.
Then Sam says to the young man, "Hey, if I can tell you exactly what your business is, will you give me back my calf?"

The young man thinks about it for a second and then says, "Okay, why not?"
"You're a Member of the European Parliament", says Sam.
"Wow! That's correct," says the yuppie, "but how did you guess that?"

"No guessing required." answered Sam. "You showed up here even though nobody called you; you want to get paid for an answer I already knew, to a question I never asked. You used millions of pounds worth of equipment trying to show me how much smarter than me you are; and you don't know a thing about how working people make a living - or about cows, for that matter. This is a herd of sheep.

Now give me back my dog.

AND THAT Friends IS WHAT THE PROBLEM IS WITH THE EU.

Originally Posted by pip08456

The answer's here https://personal.help.royalmail.com/...al-material%3F

That refers to the royal mail as a company ,it wouldn't be ok for postmen to refuse to deliver certain mail just because they don't approve of it ,such as Camerons planned leaflet drop

[pip08456]

Geez, that's an old one but true!

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Originally Posted by martyh

That refers to the royal mail as a company ,it wouldn't be ok for postmen to refuse to deliver certain mail just because they don't approve of it ,such as Camerons planned leaflet drop

The link was in reply to @Osem's post which explains what Royal Mail are responsible for delivering under the contract they have.

If you used a tiny portion of your brain you would see that post delivery personnel would be in breach of contract if they failed to deliver the leaflets and would be liable to dismissal.

The leaflet is not mail, it has been classed as a public information leaflet which Royal Mail must deliver.

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"It is not possible for Royal Mail to separate material you don’t want from those you do want

For example: advertising offers or leaflets or (typo corrected) material from Central and Local Government and other public bodies.

Originally Posted by pip08456

The link was in reply to @Osem's post which explains what Royal Mail are responsible for delivering under the contract they have.

If you used a tiny portion of your brain you would see that post delivery personnel would be in breach of contract if they failed to deliver the leaflets and would be liable to dismissal.

The leaflet is not mail, it has been classed as a public information leaflet which Royal Mail must deliver.

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"It is not possible for Royal Mail to separate material you don’t want from those you do want

For example: advertising offers or leaflets or (typo corrected) material from Central and Local Government and other public bodies.

Which is basically what i said and since you didn't bother to quote Osems post how are people supposed to know what you are replying .Your reply was directly after mine so the natural assumption is you are replying to me .Next time try to be clearer

[pip08456]

Well if you were in correct in what you said then hey ho. Problem is it does not apply to Royal Mail "as a company". It goes back to the days of the GPO which you most likely don't remember.

When Royal Mail was privatised it was one of the things they had to take on as part of the deal.

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Perhaps you need to familiarse yourself with this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Post_Office

You may then realise I wasn't talking about a company per say but Royal Mail's remit.

Originally Posted by pip08456

Well if you were in correct in what you said then hey ho. Problem is it does not apply to Royal Mail "as a company". It goes back to the days of the GPO which you most likely don't remember.

When Royal Mail was privatised it was one of the things they had to take on as part of the deal.

---------- Post added at 19:48 ---------- Previous post was at 19:41 ----------

Perhaps you need to familiarse yourself with this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Post_Office

You may then realise I wasn't talking about a company per say but Royal Mail's remit.

Now your just waffling ,i'm plenty old enough to remember the GPO and that has nothing to do with anything .We were discussing whether or not it was ok for the posties to refuse to deliver the leaflets on a matter of principle ,god knows what your babbling on about ,maybe you need to use a tiny portion of your brain and keep up instead of being an arse

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Sirius

To quote a post i saw on Facebook

A farmer named Sam was overseeing his herd in a remote hilly pasture in Hereford when suddenly a brand-new BMW advanced toward him out of a cloud of dust.

The driver, a young man in a Brioni® suit, Gucci® shoes, RayBan® sunglasses and YSL® tie, leaned out the window and asked the farmer, "If I tell you exactly how many cows and calves you have in your herd, will you give me a calf?"
Sam looks at the man, who obviously is a yuppie, then looks at his peacefully grazing animals and calmly answers, "Sure, why not?"

The yuppie parks his car, whips out his Dell® notebook computer, connects it to his Cingular RAZR V3® cell phone, and surfs to a NASA page on the Internet, where he calls up a GPS satellite to get an exact fix on his location which he then feeds to another NASA satellite that scans the area in an ultra-high-resolution photo.

The young man then opens the digital photo in Adobe Photoshop® and exports it to an image processing facility in Hamburg, Germany ...

Within seconds, he receives an email on his Palm Pilot® that the image has been processed and the data stored. He then accesses an MS-SQL®
database through an ODBC connected Excel® spreadsheet with email on his Blackberry® and, after a few minutes, receives a response.

Finally, he prints out a full-colour, 150-page report on his hi-tech, miniaturized HP LaserJet® printer, turns to the Farmer and says, "You have exactly 1,586 cows and calves."

"That's right. Well, I guess you can take one of my calves," says Sam.

He watches the young man select one of the animals and looks on with amusement as the young man stuffs it into the trunk of his car.
Then Sam says to the young man, "Hey, if I can tell you exactly what your business is, will you give me back my calf?"

The young man thinks about it for a second and then says, "Okay, why not?"
"You're a Member of the European Parliament", says Sam.
"Wow! That's correct," says the yuppie, "but how did you guess that?"

"No guessing required." answered Sam. "You showed up here even though nobody called you; you want to get paid for an answer I already knew, to a question I never asked. You used millions of pounds worth of equipment trying to show me how much smarter than me you are; and you don't know a thing about how working people make a living - or about cows, for that matter. This is a herd of sheep.

Now give me back my dog.

AND THAT Friends IS WHAT THE PROBLEM IS WITH THE EU.

That really sums it up for sure.