[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Osem

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-35980571

Wonder of they'll give the out campaign £9m to help put their case, in the interests of fairness.

Not a chance in hell. The same thing happened in the Scottish Referendum.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

I hope the public recognise this for what it is: A blatent waste of taxpayers money on yet another EU biased piece of propoganda.

If they do, it might help the leave campaign. People don't like politicians telling them what to do. Just look at the Dutch.

Nothing that asking them again until they give the right answer won't resolve...

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Osem

Nothing that asking them again until they give the right answer won't resolve...

The dutch referendom was only granted after enough people signed a petition. It's result is only advisory, not binding, though it did make the >30% turnout needed to make it legitimate

The Dutch government has already passed the treaty anyway so they'll just plow on as usual with EU matters and ignore the result.

I could see Cameron doing the same if the vote was very narrow for Brexit. He's just that duplicitous.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

The dutch referendom was only granted after enough people signed a petition. It's result is only advisory, not binding, though it did make the >30% turnout needed to make it legitimate

The Dutch government has already passed the treaty anyway so they'll just plow on as usual with EU matters and ignore the result.

I could see Cameron doing the same if the vote was very narrow for Brexit. He's just that duplicitous.

Yes I did know about that but couldn't resist anyway.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

The dutch referendom was only granted after enough people signed a petition. It's result is only advisory, not binding, though it did make the >30% turnout needed to make it legitimate

The Dutch government has already passed the treaty anyway so they'll just plow on as usual with EU matters and ignore the result.

I could see Cameron doing the same if the vote was very narrow for Brexit. He's just that duplicitous.

Our EU Referendum is NOT legally binding.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

Our EU Referendum is NOT legally binding.

If that's true* I can see the last line of my post is the likely scenario. Dave won't care as he'll be gone before the next election.


*Do you have a link for that please?

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

If that's true* I can see the last line of my post is the likely scenario. Dave won't care as he'll be gone before the next election.


*Do you have a link for that please?

In a leaflet that came through the door on what we should know about the EU referendum, and this was not from either camp, it isn't legally binding.

Originally Posted by Big Brian

In a leaflet that came through the door on what we should know about the EU referendum, and this was not from either camp, it isn't legally binding.

What leaflet? It may well be some one of the camps pretending not to be one of the camps. Look carefully at the small print as I am not sure who else would be paying for leafleting.

Originally Posted by Damien

What leaflet? It may well be some one of the camps pretending not to be one of the camps. Look carefully at the small print as I am not sure who else would be paying for leafleting.

It's true, but it would be political suicide for either of the Houses of Parliament to vote the result down.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32810887

Could MPs block an EU exit if Britain votes for it?
Michael, from East Sussex asks an intriguing question - could the necessary legislation pass the Commons if all SNP and Lib Dems, nearly all Labour and many Conservative MPs were in favour of staying?

The answer is that technically MPs could block an EU exit - but it would be seen as political suicide to go against the will of the people as expressed in a referendum. The referendum result is not legally binding - Parliament still has to pass the laws that will get Britain out of the 28 nation bloc, starting with the repeal of the 1972 European Communities Act.

The withdrawal agreement would also have to be ratified by Parliament - the House of Lords and/or the Commons could vote against ratification, according to a House of Commons library report.

It adds: "If the Commons resolves against ratification, the treaty can still be ratified if the Government lays a statement explaining why the treaty should nonetheless be ratified and the House of Commons does not resolve against ratification a second time within 21 days (this process can be repeated ad infinitum)."

In practice, Conservative MPs who voted to remain in the EU would be whipped to vote with the government. Any who defied the whip would have to face the wrath of voters at the next general election.

One scenario that could see the referendum result overturned, is if MPs forced a general election and a party campaigned on a promise to keep Britain in the EU, got elected and then claimed that the election mandate topped the referendum one. Two thirds of MPs would have to vote for a general election to be held before the next scheduled one in 2020.

Cheers. So nope, not legally binding.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Hugh

It's true, but it would be political suicide for either of the Houses of Parliament to vote the result down.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32810887

Indeed it would. I think if Cameron loses the referendum there probably will be a GE or we'll be stuck with Osbourne as the former would have to resign.

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Originally Posted by Damien

Cheers. So nope, not legally binding.

Nope. It's bliddy crazy.

Actually, it's not - it's how our representative democracy works.

After the referendum, any leave motion still has to pass the two Houses of Parliament.

And there can only be a General Election if there is a No Confidence motion in the Government, or 2/3rds of MPs call for a GE.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed-...ments_Act_2011

If any wants it here is a petition against the leaflet drop ,at 100,000 sigs it gets debated in the commons

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/116762

I've signed it as i feel it is the governments duty to provide both sides not influence one side

I don't remember anyone complaining about the Government spending money to counter the Scottish Indie referendum talking points.

In both cases, it was Government policy to support staying in.

[richard s]

Torys spend 9 million on leaflets and allocate 50 million on repairing pot holes councils need 1.1 billion - keep dodging the holes until you cannot anymore.