[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Chris

Nope. It's a British passport, despite being defaced by Euro-guff, and it was issued by the UK Passport Agency.

However, with any luck, the proper black passport will be phased back in, once we're out of the EU.

What about the socks?

[heero_yuy]

A "deputation from parliament” has written to complain to party chairman Lord Feldman after the PM used Welsh and Scottish Tory Party conferences to give two anti-Brexit speeches - despite strict rules over neutrality in the referendum.

A former Cabinet Minister told the Sun: “Everyone is getting pretty peed off with Cameron. Party unity is pretty fractious at the moment and is being almost destroyed."

They added: “Downing Street is taking the micky by coming out with hyperbolic stories and completely ignoring the fact that the party is supposed to be neutral and allowing party events to be hijacked by ‘remainers’ - notably the PM.”

Eurosceptics won a key victory over the Tory leadership last year when the Conservative Party was forced to declare it would remain impartial on the referendum issue - meaning the party machinery and deep coffers could not be used to campaign against a Brexit.

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Looks like Dave's in hot water with the party.

[Big Brian]

The Tory Party may not recover from this. Not only are they in the preverbial over the EU but on Disability Benefits. Ian Duncan-Smith has already resigned, wonder who's next? Osbourne or Cameron Himself? We can but hope

[Ramrod]

Taxpayers Set to Pay £371 Million a WEEK to Brussels For Next Five Years

drilling down into the budget’s supporting documents reveals that payments to the EU are set to rise year on year for the next half decade.

Buried on page 140 of the 2016 Budget, a single line in one of dozens of weighty tables shows that “Expenditure transfers to EU institutions” will total £10.5 billion in 2015/16, rising to £11.9 billion by 2020/21.

Matters came to a head after it emerged that a popular initiative to abolish VAT on women’s sanitary products was prohibited by EU regulations, forcing Mr Cameron to go cap in hand to his superiors in Brussels to beg them to waive the rules in this instance.

Under current rules a zero percent VAT rate can only be applied to products with the agreement of all 28 member states. On Thursday night, in a prime piece of Brussels horse-trading, his fellow leaders came to his rescue and granted the request to avoid giving pro-Brexit campaigners more ammunition.

Labour MP Paula Sherriff was unimpressed, however. She told the Commons: “One of the key reasons that I am voting to leave is because we are losing more and more control to the EU.

“The people we elect should be responsible for setting the taxes in this country – not unelected EU judges and bureaucrats. It is a fundamental principle of democracy that there should be no taxation without representation, which is what we now have.”

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Taxpayers Set to Pay £371 Million a WEEK to Brussels For Next Five Years

Never mind, just look at all the wonderful things we get back in return.

All other arguments aside, I can't understand why anyone in the UK would want to hand more power and more of our money to the EU. We've had decades of trying to reform this giant political amoeba and got nowhere It truly does beggar belief.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Osem

All other arguments aside, I can't understand why anyone in the UK would want to hand more power and more of our money to the EU. We've had decades of trying to reform this giant political amoeba and got nowhere It truly does beggar belief.

But before you vote "out", don't forget that if we leave the EU, horrible things might happen. All sorts of specific things may come to pass....so we're better off staying in.....'cos then at least we know for sure just how screwed we are.

[techguyone]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

The Tory Party may not recover from this. Not only are they in the preverbial over the EU but on Disability Benefits. Ian Duncan-Smith has already resigned, wonder who's next? Osbourne or Cameron Himself? We can but hope

I think that's wishful thinking on your part, Cameron's already said he'll step down before the next GE so plans will already be afoot for the next Leader.
Lets not forget too while Corbys top dog in Labour that's a big no-no.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Taxpayers Set to Pay £371 Million a WEEK to Brussels For Next Five Years

And they will pay for this by cutting our DLA/PIP. Shame on them! Vote Leave for a better future.

There was a Tory on the news this morning, Laura something or other, saying the Outers have spent the money we'd save many fold. I ask you, how do these people get the jobs? Doesn't she realise that it's not spending it many fold, it's suggestions of what could be done with the money?

If anyone is up and about just now, Ian Duncan-Smith is on the Andrew Marr show today. Should be an interesting watch.

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

But before you vote "out", don't forget that if we leave the EU, horrible things might happen. All sorts of specific things may come to pass....so we're better off staying in.....'cos then at least we know for sure just how screwed we are.

That's for sure. and I totally agree here. For 40 years we've tried to reform the EU and been outvoted each time. Just what makes Cameron think the next 40 years would be any different. There was a stat that says 40 things we put before the EU regarding reform were voted down.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

And they will pay for this by cutting our DLA/PIP. Shame on them! Vote Leave for a better future.

There was a Tory on the news this morning, Laura something or other, saying the Outers have spent the money we'd save many fold. I ask you, how do these people get the jobs? Doesn't she realise that it's not spending it many fold, it's suggestions of what could be done with the money?

If anyone is up and about just now, Ian Duncan-Smith is on the Andrew Marr show today. Should be an interesting watch.

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That's for sure. and I totally agree here. For 40 years we've tried to reform the EU and been outvoted each time. Just what makes Cameron think the next 40 years would be any different. There was a stat that says 40 things we put before the EU regarding reform were voted down.

Well, turkeys don't vote for Christmas do they...

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by techguyone

I think that's wishful thinking on your part, Cameron's already said he'll step down before the next GE so plans will already be afoot for the next Leader.
Lets not forget too while Corbys top dog in Labour that's a big no-no.

I know this. What I meant was sooner rather than later.

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The C.B.I. have come out with figures saying if we leave the EU we will damage the economy by £100 bn. and that 900,000 jobs would go (BBC NEWS). How do they know this? Do they have access to figures the Government don't even have? Where do the figures come from? I believe it's a worse case scenario they are using in order to manipulate a remain vote. The Chancellor is doing a pretty good job of wrecking the economy without being out of the EU. He's missed all his targets and grossly overestimated his figures. Now it's worse as it's reported that the cuts to disability benefits are to be scrapped. Where does he get the money now?

Do these people really believe that remaining in the EU is going to help this situation? Do they really believe that remaining is a vote for the status quo or that they think they have reformed it? Cameron refers to the vote as remaining in a 'reformed EU'. Has it been reformed?

Of course there are risks leaving the EU but remember that Cameron and the Bank of England state that the UK can thrive outside the EU! Remember too that there are also risks by staying in the EU! Turkey, for example. Another 75 million people with the freedom to move around where they want will cause massive problems.

http://www.express.co.uk/comment/exp...ncludes-Turkey

Sounds frightening but then again, don't the EU want to send these poor migrants back to Turkey? What will happen is they will all end up there and that could add another 5 million to that figure. How many of those will end up in Britain?

This is just one example of a very serious risk of remaining in the EU and I'm sure I can find a lot more just like it.

[Ramrod]

‘Victory’ On The Tampon Tax? Don’t Be So Sure…

one of our Members of the European Parliament Louise Bours put in a written question to the European Commission in June of last year.

She simply asked whether it was legally possible to remove VAT on tampons.

In a long, rambling answer there was a key sentence: “introducing zero VAT rates for sanitary items would not be in line with the VAT directive”. I think I had better send Mr Cameron a copy of this letter.

So what will happen next week is that the European Commission will introduce amending legislation to remove VAT on tampons. Whether this is just an amendment or a wholesale reworking of the massively complex VAT directive remains to be seen. Time pressures would suggest the former. The legislation then needs to go through the committee stage of the European Parliament and then be subjected to a full vote of the plenary in session.

Even if all of this goes swimmingly and it comes back to the European Council for approval there is a problem. Indeed it is the same problem that Dave’s emergency break and the promise of our exclusion from political union will face. It is called the European Court of Justice.

If the legal advice of the European Commission in correspondence with Louise Bours is correct then the removal of the tampon tax may well be struck down and this great triumph for British democracy turned to dust.

[heero_yuy]

The CBI were the same organisation that claimed not joining the Euro would be a disaster:

His corporate bosses (Niall FitzGerald of Unilever, David Simon
of BP, British Airways’ Colin Marshall) claimed that an overwhelming majority of British businessmen backed the single currency — a vital propaganda tool for pro-euro campaigners. The
figures used to support these claims were, however, very flimsy indeed: they could only be sustained by ignoring the views of small businessmen, and in due course they were exposed — a
crucial early defeat for the pro-euro cause.

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They have no credibility IMHO.

[Osem]

They're just doing what they think serves their members best as opposed to what's best for the country and its people.

Let nobody think the EU has our interests at heart any more than we have theirs. They'd rather like the UK to carry on putting vastly more in the we're getting out whilst denying us any of the significant reform we've argued for. They're banking on the electorate being too scared to go it alone which is why they've offered sweet FA by way of real concessions and change. Let's be honest, who wouldn't like to have a club member who pays in more than 99% of the other members do, gets less out, is routinely ignored at the highest level and keeps coming back for more of the same old, same old?...

Like it or not, the only way we can have a meaningful and fair trading relationship with the EU is to call their bluff, get out and let them see how life is without the UK's contribution to their club. I believe we'll have more clout outside than inside because the EU has become accustomed to shafting us while we bend over and ask for more.

[techguyone]

I'm still waiting for some people in favour of staying to speak up and put their reasoning forward so as to offer an alternative pov

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by techguyone

I'm still waiting for some people in favour of staying to speak up and put their reasoning forward so as to offer an alternative pov

Don't hold your breath.

All they have is project fear: Don't let go of nurse, for fear of finding something worse.