[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[heero_yuy]

These posters will be plastered all over the place. Note the date. Bet the stay lot never saw that coming.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Damien

I don't think it's a trick. I mean it hardly looks good on him that he the economy continues to be rather stagnant and that he keeps having to revise his outlook and plans every six months. He is 6 years into the job now.

Besides you can see the economy is still rather concerning around the world. Asia has been really turbulent, the US fears a recession, Europe continues to muddle along between recession or flatlining growth.

This isn't all about Britain and the EU.

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I agree he shouldn't cut disability benefit in order to fund a tax cut but we are talking about the 40p tax band which kicks in around £42,000. Hardly 'rich'.

Still I do wonder how he can continue to justify cutting more and more of disability benefit. He had public support for job seekers allowance, child benefit and so on but going after people who are disabled is pretty risky and inhumane. This benefit is a budget which allows a greater degree of personal liberty from what i understand, i.e money to account for the additional costs facing disabled people such as taxi fares instead of buses, so why bother cutting that?

What I mean is he's not touching the richest therefore in effect giving them more while we get less. I'd love to go out to work but that's looking less and less likely as I'm finding it harder to walk these days and my eyesight is getting worse. Who is going to employ a 62 year old blind cripple. Damned Arthritis should be banned lol.

Originally Posted by Big Brian

What I mean is he's not touching the richest therefore in effect giving them more while we get less. I'd love to go out to work but that's looking less and less likely as I'm finding it harder to walk these days and my eyesight is getting worse. Who is going to employ a 62 year old blind cripple. Damned Arthritis should be banned lol.

Fair enough. I am surprised at the amount they go after the disabled and still get away with it. I think they're banking on the fact that few people know what these benefits actually are and what they're used for and play on the stereotype that benefit-claimants are like the family in Shameless rather than people in genuine need.

[Big Brian]

OK. Osbourne on Andrew Marr didn't do anything in my opinion to convince me to stay in the EU. Quite the opposite, in fact. Why would we want to stay in a Union that's flat on it's back with a dying economy when we can come out and concentrate on our own economy. He is looking to save £18 bn by the end of the decade. It doesn't take brains to realise if we came out the EU he could save more than that instead of taking it from those who can't afford it.

In my opinion the EU is a dying duck as far as the UK is concerned. It's heading towards closer political integration and the Eurozone is collapsing. They must sort out the economy then they may have a chance. I predict one country called Europa.

With Turkey seeking to join the EU, I can only see nothing but trouble with Migrants coming in through that route. They will be granted freedom of movement soon thought admittedly it will be a while before they are full members.

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Originally Posted by Damien

Fair enough. I am surprised at the amount they go after the disabled and still get away with it. I think they're banking on the fact that few people know what these benefits actually are and what they're used for and play on the stereotype that benefit-claimants are like the family in Shameless rather than people in genuine need.

I agree there people claiming DLA that shouldn't be getting it and that something needs to be done about that. Recently, I had to fill in a back to work form which I find ridiculous as they know my situation. They know it's incurable and my circumstances will never change. Why go after the likes of me when they should be chasing the work-shy shisters who have no place on DLA. Later this year I'll have to prove myself unfit again having just given them the information as DLA is changing to PIP. And they wonder why we get angry?

Of course, I strayed off the subject sorry all.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

What angers me is he is planning on cutting disability benefits but as usual making the rich richer. Why doesn't her go after them in order to sort out the economy if it's as bad as he makes out?

My accountant sent me this email a week ago:

In this country if you earn over about £40k you will no doubt be familiar with the fact that you have to pay the maximum tax rate: 42% including NI. But thanks to an amazingly sneaky manoeuvre from HMRC, deftly and quietly executed about five years ago, you will be wrong. And not just a few per cent wrong.

Nowhere is it written in any legislation, but the maximum tax rate is in reality 62%, and I am continually staggered to find a lack of awareness about this fact among those it affects: people paying tax on earnings between £100k and £120k.

If that’s you and you are reading this and your accountant hasn’t told you, their laxness could easily have been costing you £12k a year. They really should have told you about this.

Here’s a simplification of how it works:

the first £10k of earning is tax free
the next £30k is taxed at 29% (inc NI)
the next £60k is taxed at 42% (inc NI)
at £100k you lose the £10k tax free allowance
so the next £20k is effectively taxed at 62% (inc NI)

However skilfully this may have been dressed up as a “removal of the personal allowance”, it’s effectively a jump from a 42% tax rate to a 62% tax rate for the segment between £100k and £120k.

Say you earn £120k: for starters, you’ll now pay 29% on the first £10k you earn, basically a surcharge of £2,900. On top of that, the 42% rate kicks in earlier, so you pay £1,300 extra on your earnings between £30k to £40k. That’s already a £4,200 bill for going over £100k. Add to that another £8,400 to pay on earnings between £100k and £120k and you’ve racked up a whopping £12,600 bill on just £20k of earnings – an effective rate of about 62%.

You may as well be living in Finland, at least there the trains work properly.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

These posters will be plastered all over the place. Note the date. Bet the stay lot never saw that coming.

We can but hope

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

My accountant sent me this email a week ago:

One courtesy of Gordon Brown that Mr Osborne hasn't seen fit to remedy.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

One courtesy of Gordon Brown that Mr Osborne hasn't seen fit to remedy.

Yep. Strange.......wonder why not?

Probably because it would be even more expensive to do so now considering how much the Personal Allowance has gone up since 2010. I think that policy, rising it, was one of the better moves of the Government. Next up should be rising the NI threshold so that the lower paid are completely lifted out of income tax or just combining the two.

Rumor is that fuel duty is about to be raised though.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Damien

Probably because it would be even more expensive to do so now considering how much the Personal Allowance has gone up since 2010. I think that policy, rising it, was one of the better moves of the Government. Next up should be rising the NI threshold so that the lower paid are completely lifted out of income tax or just combining the two.

Rumor is that fuel duty is about to be raised though.

In our dreams.

[heero_yuy]

When Turkey joins the European Union, the EU will share a common external border with Syria, Iraq and Iran.

And that should scare the life out of us. That should make us worried sick about our national security — and the security of generations of Brits yet to be born.

Turkey’s long, porous border with these hellholes should be the best reason in the world for the UK to bail out of the EU on June 23.

Read the rest of Tony Parsons critique here

Be afraid, be very afraid.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Read the rest of Tony Parsons critique here

Be afraid, be very afraid.

Totally agree with this. In the past referred to the Sick Man Of Europe, nothing has changed. If Erdoğan continues to get his way, Turkey will soon become a pariah state ...

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Read the rest of Tony Parsons critique here

Be afraid, be very afraid.

Project Fear!

I think that article is overblown.

For a start if we took it at face value then there leaving the EU won't make a difference. We already have control of the border since we're not part of the Schengen agreement. The danger would remain that these people could move though Europe and sit in Calais waiting for a chance to sneak across but that would be true irrespective of if we were in the EU or not. In fact If we did leave the EU then we would also have no ability to stop Turkey joining!

So it's hard to see what difference voting to leave will make in respect to our security there. The other question is how likely is it that Turkey will join? Every member must agree for the succession of a new state. That includes France and, currently, Britain.

If you're that worried about EU policy in this respect then the best option is to vote to remain so we can stop Turkey joining in the first place. His argument makes no sense.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Damien

If you're that worried about EU policy in this respect then the best option is to vote to remain so we can stop Turkey joining in the first place. His argument makes no sense.

On the contrary getting out of this madness is the right policy IMO. Let the rest of the EU wallow in Turkish migrants.

[tweedle]

Originally Posted by Damien

Project Fear!

I think that article is overblown.

For a start if we took it at face value then there leaving the EU won't make a difference. We already have control of the border since we're not part of the Schengen agreement. .

I hope you understand how much the few sentences above make it seem you're totally clueless about Britain's relationship with the EU, An what being A EU citizen means when it comes to moving/living in the UK.

Open borders no, but EU citizen status will get you into the UK. A little bit of knowledge is a terrible thing.