[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU - Page 50

**Chris** · 03-03-2016, 11:41

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Originally Posted by Kymmy

A hypothetical question.

If Trump won the US Presidency would you rather be in or out of Europe based on that single fact? In other words would you like to try to negotiate trade agreements with a US run by him?

The MiL came up with a Trump win and us leaving the EU so that got me thinking about after leaving negotiations.

Free trade agreements tend to be long-term projects conducted by a government's civil service. The minister who happens to be in charge may have some input but the colour of the government of the day doesn't normally make a whole lot of difference, except where that government is from one extreme or the other. And no, for all his nasty rhetoric, I don't think Trump is quite bad enough to be called an extremist.

The government of the United States makes precisely no difference at all to my views on Brexit.

Ignitionnet · 03-03-2016, 12:21

Someone remind me why Labour are so desperate to stay in again?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNAd...nnel=BardGuido

ntluser · 03-03-2016, 12:53

A lot of effort is going in to ensure that we stay in the EU.

The EU has little respect for the UK given that a German politician has threatened a trade war if we leave and now the French have threatend to allow migrants through to the UK.

Politicians keep telling us that staying in the EU is best but you have to ask for whom is it best?

Migrants arriving will not be housed in the locality of your MP.
Nor will they be competing for MPs' jobs.
The children of migrants won't be attending the schools attended by the children of MPs.
Nor will they be attending the same medical facilities as MPs.

The truth is that while the MPs make the decisions about the EU it is ordinary members of the public who will suffer the impact.

Having some migrants is one thing because there are some we need but becoming the EU's dumping ground is another. Something to thing about when we vote.

Ramrod · 03-03-2016, 13:14

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Originally Posted by Kymmy

A hypothetical question.

If Trump won the US Presidency would you rather be in or out of Europe based on that single fact? In other words would you like to try to negotiate trade agreements with a US run by him?

I suspect that negoting with him would be fairly straightforward. Seems like a straightforward kind of guy

**Damien** · 03-03-2016, 14:16

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

I suspect that negoting with him would be fairly straightforward. Seems like a straightforward kind of guy

As Chris says it doesn't really matter who is President (although the President has to want to do it before handing it off to the civil servants) but Trump is anything other than a straightforward kinda guy as discussed in the other topic.

**Hugh** · 03-03-2016, 15:41

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

I suspect that negoting with him would be fairly straightforward. Seems like a straightforward kind of guy

http://content.time.com/time/special...068227,00.html

His negotiating style appears to be somewhat unusual, and it's 'straightforward' if 'straightforward' means taking something without paying for it...

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Trump bemoaned U.S. costs sustained during its wars in the Middle East and floated the idea of "taking" Iraqi oil. Stephanopoulos countered incredulously, "So, we steal an oil field?" Trump responded, "Excuse me. You're not stealing anything. You're taking — we're reimbursing ourselves." Given how many U.S. leaders have had to stress to their Middle East interlocutors that they're not in it simply for the oil, Trump would be starting off regional relations on pretty slippery ground.

tweedle · 03-03-2016, 16:07

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Originally Posted by Kymmy

A hypothetical question.

If Trump won the US Presidency would you rather be in or out of Europe based on that single fact? In other words would you like to try to negotiate trade agreements with a US run by him?

The MiL came up with a Trump win and us leaving the EU so that got me thinking about after leaving negotiations.

What are your views? Would you rather be in or out of Europe based on Trump winning the US election?

tweedle · 03-03-2016, 22:28

Just watching the news, BMW have advised works to vote to stay in Europe, the BMW representative says it's due to many EU works working in the UK for BMW.

An a manufacturing company also advises to stay in Europe stating 50% of its work force is European.

No mention of British employees, very interesting. I guess if all the EU workers had to leave there would be a lot of jobs for the British work force to fill.

Osem · 04-03-2016, 09:58

I see big benevolent Facebook is going to change its practices so that they can pay more tax to UK PLC. Great, about time too, but on the subject of timing is this possibly just an example of BigCorp trying to influence the outcome of the referendum? Let's face it, one of the main concerns about staying in the EU is TTIP and the power that agreement would give to huge companies. If they see it that way, these people would hate to see us leave the EU wouldn't they so why not, in the run up to the vote, take the opportunity to show they mean us no harm and are all soft and squidgy after all?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35724308

Of course it could all just be a convenient co-incidence for the IN campaign.

**Damien** · 04-03-2016, 10:22

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Originally Posted by Osem

I see big benevolent Facebook is going to change its practices so that they can pay more tax to UK PLC. Great, about time too, but on the subject of timing is this possibly just an example of BigCorp trying to influence the outcome of the referendum? Let's face it, one of the main concerns about staying in the EU is TTIP and the power that agreement would give to huge companies. If they see it that way, these people would hate to see us leave the EU wouldn't they so why not, in the run up to the vote, take the opportunity to show they mean us no harm and are all soft and squidgy after all?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35724308

Of course it could all just be a convenient co-incidence for the IN campaign.

What does this have to do with the EU? Companies should have to pay tax either way and it's not the EU's fault if they don't considering France and Italy are seemingly doing better at extracting it from Google.

ianch99 · 04-03-2016, 10:51

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Originally Posted by Damien

What does this have to do with the EU? Companies should have to pay tax either way and it's not the EU's fault if they don't considering France and Italy are seemingly doing better at extracting it from Google.

A lot of people have their conspiracy glasses on at the moment.

IDS is all upset at the moment: EU referendum: Duncan Smith attacks Remain 'smears'. He is probably the last one who should complaining?

Ramrod · 04-03-2016, 11:05

MEPs allowed to claim £120,000 in expenses without proof of how money is spent .......EU officials don't want to saddle MEPs with an 'administrative burden' which would hamper their freedom

Mr K · 04-03-2016, 11:56

Over 3 months more of this depressing mudslinging. I hope the Govt. are going to remember to actually govern inbetween fighting each other.
The result will be a predictable stay in with a low turn out. Our economy will have been damaged by all the uncertainty, and tax payers money wasted on this pointless exercise.

Osem · 04-03-2016, 12:04

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Originally Posted by Damien

What does this have to do with the EU? Companies should have to pay tax either way and it's not the EU's fault if they don't considering France and Italy are seemingly doing better at extracting it from Google.

I thought I'd explained that. The TIMING of the announcement is what I'm wondering about not the decision. The referendum is only a few months away and these 'negotiations' have been going on for ages. Making this decision now (and I'll wager it won't be the last before the vote) as opposed to after the vote could be argued to be helping to sustain the status quo, especially given the liking of large companies to do just that and ensure we stay in. The last thing big business needs right now is more anti BigCorp sentiment.

It's only a discussion point, a passing thought, offered for debate.

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

MEPs allowed to claim £120,000 in expenses without proof of how money is spent .......EU officials don't want to saddle MEPs with an 'administrative burden' which would hamper their freedom

Nice, just about everything the EU does is to hamper most of us with extra complications in our lives, directly or indirectly. Life must be tough being an MEP eh?...

**Maggy** · 04-03-2016, 13:13

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Originally Posted by Osem

I thought I'd explained that. The TIMING of the announcement is what I'm wondering about not the decision. The referendum is only a few months away and these 'negotiations' have been going on for ages. Making this decision now (and I'll wager it won't be the last before the vote) as opposed to after the vote could be argued to be helping to sustain the status quo, especially given the liking of large companies to do just that and ensure we stay in. The last thing big business needs right now is more anti BigCorp sentiment.

It's only a discussion point, a passing thought, offered for debate.

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Nice, just about everything the EU does is to hamper most of us with extra complications in our lives, directly or indirectly. Life must be tough being an MEP eh?...

How did you think Farage supported his campaigns?