[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by tweedle

What extra cost? If they want to sell to us , an we want to sell to them then we will be fine. All these "what ifs" but not one concrete example! Market forces will ensure were OK.

Try buying from the states, or from Japan then you'll understand that it isn't the "what if's" that you've ignored from others which have posted in many posts but actual facts.

We only get free trade benefits as part of the EU, if we're not part then we do not get the benefits and we won't get an agreement unless we capitulate.

The only country outside of the EU yet in the EAA and EFTA is norway and they had to agree to abide by a lot of EU directives to get there.. Also the red tape that people complain about when dealing with the EU will still be there if we trade with them from outside.

I'm not saying we stay in or come out but for gawd sake take off your blinkers and read the posts

[tweedle]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Try buying from the states, or from Japan then you'll understand that it isn't the "what if's" that you've ignored from others which have posted in many posts but actual facts.

We only get free trade benefits as part of the EU, if we're not part then we do not get the benefits and we won't get an agreement unless we capitulate.

The only country outside of the EU yet in the EAA and EFTA is norway and they had to agree to abide by a lot of EU directives to get there.. Also the red tape that people complain about when dealing with the EU will still be there if we trade with them from outside.

I'm not saying we stay in or come out but for gawd sake take off your blinkers and read the posts

My wife runs her company that exists exclusively due to buying from the US, Japan, China. You're going to have to explain what your import problems are? Because we may be able to help you.

What is the product you're having problems importing? An do not tell me about the cost of shipping to the UK LOL. If it's built in Japan shipping to UK is no more than shipping to France, America, Brazil ect.

Unless of course you own Landrover or any other massive UK based manufacturer I do not see your issue?

But silliness aside, you're saying what YOU say is fact and what anyone posting about leaving Europe says is nonsense?

Originally Posted by Kymmy

The only country outside of the EU yet in the EAA and EFTA is norway and they had to agree to abide by a lot of EU directives to get there.

Untrue.

Norway's political leaders willingly signed up to conditions that were barely a step removed from the conditions of EU membership because they fully intended to make Norway a full member of the EU. Inconveniently, the Norwegian people then rejected the prospect of EU membership in a referendum. Norway is therefore left, thanks entirely to the high-handed actions of its politicians, with a deal that saddles them with many of the obligations of membership, and few of the privileges.

It is a fallacy to assume the UK's relationship with the EU, post secession, will look anything like Norway's.

[tweedle]

Every country in the world wants to export, to put it simply assume all country's are shops. All shops want to sell, they want to make it easy to sell. The U.K. Is a wealthy country with upwards of 60-70million "customers". If you do t want to sell to us we will make it our selves. If you don't want to buy from us we won't buy from you a again , make it ourselves.

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by tweedle

My wife runs her company that exists exclusively due to buying from the US, Japan, China. You're going to have to explain what your import problems are? Because we may be able to help you.

What is the product you're having problems importing? An do not tell me about the cost of shipping to the UK LOL. If it's built in Japan shipping to UK is no more than shipping to France, America, Brazil ect.

Unless of course you own Landrover or any other massive UK based manufacturer I do not see your issue?

But silliness aside, you're saying what YOU say is fact and what anyone posting about leaving Europe says is nonsense?

Never said import product (yet another of your assumptions) instead it's a service industry associated with Motorsport (or do you have a distant sister/cousin twice removed in that trade as well???)

I never said anything but my opinion which you seem to try to gloss over. Yet again someone in the leave camp trying to put words in everyone else's mouth.

As for Norway in which you queried in another format just read http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...osts-thinktank for one thought on if we follow them.

So Mr Twaddle try accepting that your We Must Leave rhetoric is quite simplistic and there is another side as well as a middle for this discussion otherwise we wouldn't even need a referendum.

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Originally Posted by Chris

Untrue.

Norway's political leaders willingly signed up to conditions that were barely a step removed from the conditions of EU membership because they fully intended to make Norway a full member of the EU. Inconveniently, the Norwegian people then rejected the prospect of EU membership in a referendum. Norway is therefore left, thanks entirely to the high-handed actions of its politicians, with a deal that saddles them with many of the obligations of membership, and few of the privileges.

It is a fallacy to assume the UK's relationship with the EU, post secession, will look anything like Norway's.

Not what they said on BBC news the other week.. But that's the point of these discussions as to what do you believe and from where.

The leave candidates portray a horror story of mass migration and no control... Yet the Stay campaign throws in security and cost spiralling. Even the main media outlets contradict each other. What can we believe and what do we ignore?

[tweedle]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Never said import product (yet another of your assumptions) instead it's a service industry associated with Motorsport (or do you have a distant sister/cousin twice removed in that trade as well???)

I never said anything but my opinion which you seem to try to gloss over. Yet again someone in the leave camp trying to put words in everyone else's mouth.

As for Norway in which you queried in another format just read http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...osts-thinktank for one thought on if we follow them.

So Mr Twaddle try accepting that your We Must Leave retoric is quite simplistic and there is another side as well as a middle for this discussion otherwise we wouldn't even need a referendum.

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Not what they said on BBC news the other week.. But that's the point of these discussions as to what do you believe and from where.

The leave candidates portray a horror story of mass migration and no control... Yet the Stay campaign throws in security and cost spiralling. Even the main media outlets contradict each other. What can we believe and what do we ignore?

The BBC is extremely pro Europe, by the way you spelt Rhetoric incorrectly. How embarrassing lol.

[Kymmy]

If all you can moan about is spelling when I'm typing on a tablet then gawd help the "Leave Europe" campaign



...but please continue as to why we should leave.

[tweedle]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

If all you can moan about is spelling when I'm typing on a tablet then gawd help the "Leave Europe" campaign

Sorry Mr Dymmy, nice use of emotes to punctuate your posts though. It gives them a very professional an mature feel.

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by tweedle

Sorry Mr Dymmy, nice use of emotes to punctuate your posts though. It gives them a very professional an mature feel.

Only Mr in this house is the dog... Can he vote as well... PMSL

Seriously though all you've said is that we should leave.. Why do you feel that way and what benefits and/or detriments will there be if we leave or stay?

[tweedle]

I'm giving my opinion, that's all. Stop trying to play dictator an accept differing opinions. Now get back to your PMSL and over use of Emots. They show how strong your argument is.

[Kymmy]

I haven't though argued to stay or leave.. As with probably 75% of the voters I'm middle of the fence - smiley to make you happy..

All I've put forward is stuff I've heard that contradicts a lot of what the leave or stay people have said, hence I asked for your viewpoint as you seem firmly in the leave camp. The question though is an open one as many have definitively stated we should leave or stay so why?

[tweedle]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

I haven't though argued to stay or leave.. As with probably 75% of the voters I'm middle of the fence - smiley to make you happy..

All I've put forward is stuff I've heard that contradicts a lot of what the leave or stay people have said, hence I asked for your viewpoint as you seem firmly in the leave camp. The question though is an open one as many have definitively stated we should leave or stay so why?

I'm getting the feeling you're like 50 or so an confused, do your research to the best of your ability an try an make as informed an opinion as you can and vote accordingly. Or in other words GROW A SET OF BALLS an put some effort in.

You can't expect someone to hold your hand forever.

[Kymmy]

Not that I'd want a set of balls......

Twice I've asked for your opinion on why we should leave especially with your forceful viewpoint in previous posts that we should leave and each time you've instead commented on spelling, my usage of emoticons, my age or growing a set of balls.

So you know you want the UK to leave but you don't know why or you don't want to say?

[tweedle]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Not that I'd want a set of balls......

Twice I've asked for your opinion on why we should leave especially with your forceful viewpoint in previous posts that we should leave and each time you've instead commented on spelling or my usage of emoticons.

So you know you want the UK to leave but you don't know why or you don't want to say?

I know how I will vote an why I will vote that way. You still haven't explained the difficultys in buying from Japan or the USA? Which you say Britain will encounter if it leaves the EU. So back up your statement.


You clearly do not understand the KISS method of life,

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Originally Posted by Kymmy

Try buying from the states, or from Japan then you'll understand that it isn't the "what if's" that you've ignored from others which have posted in many posts but actual facts.

We only get free trade benefits as part of the EU, if we're not part then we do not get the benefits and we won't get an agreement unless we capitulate.

The only country outside of the EU yet in the EAA and EFTA is norway and they had to agree to abide by a lot of EU directives to get there.. Also the red tape that people complain about when dealing with the EU will still be there if we trade with them from outside.

I'm not saying we stay in or come out but for gawd sake take off your blinkers and read the posts

Explain this post please. As you think those that want to leave are "blinkered"

[Kymmy]

I never said that there was a problem buying from either country. Try rereading the days posts before it for the context as to why I mentioned both countries.