Unstoppable migration? - Page 82

Osem · 06-02-2016, 17:17

Yes and no amount of welcomes can accommodate all these people. We need to act fast and get resources into these areas to contain the situation.

Ramrod · 06-02-2016, 20:43

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Dave Rubin interviewed Tommy Robinson, enlightening watch. Youtube

Thanks for that. Interesting

ianch99 · 07-02-2016, 11:27

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Thanks for that. Interesting

What do you think about Russ's interesting article?

Ramrod · 07-02-2016, 12:26

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What do you think about Russ's interesting article?

I'm thinking that whether you are an expat or an immigrant depends on which country you are in at the time. I can't talk about British immigrants in Spain because I'm in Britain, not Spain whilst I'm talking about it. If I was in Spain I would talk about British immigrants and if I was living there I would think of myself as an immigrant.

Escapee · 07-02-2016, 17:35

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What do you think about Russ's interesting article?

I hope you don't mind if I give my view on the article.

I didn't read it, I got as far as the headline with the picture of stereotypical British pensioners that have emigrated to Spain. At that point the newspaper had no argument!

These stereotypical pensioners have generally worked all their lives, saved, contributed to a pension, bought a house and then sold their assets to buy a villa and live their remaining days in a warm climate.

Apart from perhaps increasing house prices for the locals I feel that these people differ greatly from economic migrants from poorer countries.

Ramrod · 07-02-2016, 17:53

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Apart from perhaps increasing house prices for the locals I feel that these people differ greatly from economic migrants from poorer countries.

There is that as well

Meanwhile, the fight back is beginning: PEGIDA in Europe

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The PEGIDA demonstration against political Islam passed off peacefully in both Birmingham, England and Canberra, Australia yesterday, but other meetings in Europe were met with scenes of violence. The leader of PEGIDA Ireland was hospitalised with injuries, while in Calais a former Foreign Legion General was arrested and charged with taking part in a banned protest.

Osem · 07-02-2016, 18:10

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I hope you don't mind if I give my view on the article.

I didn't read it, I got as far as the headline with the picture of stereotypical British pensioners that have emigrated to Spain. At that point the newspaper had no argument!

These stereotypical pensioners have generally worked all their lives, saved, contributed to a pension, bought a house and then sold their assets to buy a villa and live their remaining days in a warm climate.

Apart from perhaps increasing house prices for the locals I feel that these people differ greatly from economic migrants from poorer countries.

I don't see all these awful expat Brits* causing the sort of problems in Spain that we're seeing all over Europe. Commentators comparing them with the economic migrants which are cynically taking advantage of a refugee crisis is plain nonsense but such is the paucity of their argument...

(* as opposed to drunken holiday yobs who've been sold far too much booze)

Ramrod · 08-02-2016, 12:48

Britain 'faces influx of 50,000 asylum seekers' if it leaves the European Union
Cameron really is scaremongering for all he's worth.

**Damien** · 08-02-2016, 12:58

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Britain 'faces influx of 50,000 asylum seekers' if it leaves the European Union
Cameron really is scaremongering for all he's worth.

Using immigration to scare people? How outrageous!

Incidentally this isn't exactly a scenario that hasn't been thought of before. We were talking about this just the other day: http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...l#post35820049

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This is a separate agreement that requires the cooperation of the French. If they wanted they could say sod it and let us worry about it when they reach our borders.

If we had mass migrants/refugee camps in Dover of people trying to get into France how willing would we be to help the French secure their borders and keep them here?

The agreement though is not part of the EU. It is however something we would want to keep. Having the border in Calais is very useful for us. We would want to make sure it's something we will always have EU or no-EU.

Osem · 08-02-2016, 12:59

How many thousands are already getting in via our 'secure' borders every year and how many will we eventually be 'told' to take in if we remain in the EU?

heero_yuy · 08-02-2016, 13:32

Scarmongering for all he's worth. It's pathetic.

If we lost this agreement then surely the correct thing to do is to fine the ferry, aircraft, train and tunnel operators say £10,000 per illegal migrant that they transport into the country. I'm sure that would make them very vigilent.

tweedle · 08-02-2016, 14:12

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What do you think about Russ's interesting article?

That article is a load of crap, I've seen 100's of thousands of white Europeans called immigrants in the last few years on TV in the news in the papers in general conversation. From Poland , Latvia, Ukraine. America has a large white Italian immigrant population. The White Irish immigrants.....

**Damien** · 08-02-2016, 16:02

What can actually be done about the migration crisis anyway? At the moment 35,000 people are at Turkey's borders, Aleppo in Syria is hemorrhaging citizens and Libya isn't in great shakes either.

The whole thing is will only get further out of control and I think there is a feeling that we're at the precipice of something quite bad unless a radical solution is found.

Ignitionnet · 08-02-2016, 16:25

French Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve last year:

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Calling for the border with the English to be opened is not a responsible solution. It would send a signal to people smugglers and would lead migrants to flow to Calais in far greater numbers. A humanitarian disaster would ensue. It is a foolhardy path, and one the government will not pursue. On the contrary, we’re going to make the border even more watertight to dissuade smugglers and migrants, respect international rules and reduce the pressure on Calais.

Osem · 08-02-2016, 16:30

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What can actually be done about the migration crisis anyway? At the moment 35,000 people are at Turkey's borders, Aleppo in Syria is hemorrhaging citizens and Libya isn't in great shakes either.

The whole thing is will only get further out of control and I think there is a feeling that we're at the precipice of something quite bad unless a radical solution is found.

I had that feeling when I started this thread...

There are no easy solutions but allowing vast numbers of economic migrants and even refugees to effectively choose where they go was always going to be a big mistake and the direct cause of even more problems. Like it or not, we have to be resolute in protecting our/Europe's borders and making as much provision as we reasonably can to assist genuine refugees massing on or near those borders. At the very least, showing that economic migrants will not benefit from swelling the numbers by being allowed into the EU under false pretences should reduce the amount willing to make the trip in the first place.

Given the huge numbers, the best thing we can do for genuine refugees is to provide safe haven as close to the home nations as reasonably possible. Secure camps well provided with food, water, services etc. When the fighting stops, we're then going to need to help these people move back to their homes and start to rebuild their lives. What we can't do sadly is allow everyone who's a refugee, desperate or vulnerable to start a new life in Europe. We're already seeing the inevitable consequences of that and it isn't pleasant.