TiVo : Sky Q and VM answer ?

[jb66]

The new stock levels for my van came out and there is a section for a "new" set top box.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by denphone

Well l don't we have even got 40 of them and that's 6 years later.

Originally Posted by denphone

Intention is one thing as we know but actual deliverance is another.

But if the intention wasn't there, you wouldn't have any!

Anyway, my original coment on Cindy Rose was a light hearted throw away comment, not really meant for serious discussion!

[tweedle]

Originally Posted by passingbat

Anyway, my original coment on Cindy Rose was a light hearted throw away comment, not really meant for serious discussion!

You obviously do not understand the Internet.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by tweedle

You obviously do not understand the Internet.

Then please explain...

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by passingbat

The were, hence Cindy Rose's infamous 'Hundreds of apps' statement

I see she is now at Vodafone.

Does that mean they are launching TV soon?

Sky Q does look awesome, especially the WiFi extender features.

Hope VM do something similar.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Hope VM do something similar.

There is no reason why they can't. The Tivo Bolt software combined with the promised Roamio update/replacement's spec. should easily match the functionality of Sky Q.

It's all a matter of where VM decide to pitch the current Tivo's replacement.

[denphone]

l suspect they will do something pretty impressive sometime this year.

[hedgie]

Originally Posted by denphone

l suspect they will do something pretty impressive sometime this year.

They need to., and I truly hope they do.

I have been with cable since Nynex in the late 90's and have never felt closer to ditching it.

I am a luddite and quite honestly like linear programming. Tuesday night is Gold Rush night, but I am dying and breed and the four teenagers in this house live on a diet of You Tube and Netflix. The service offering needs to change and the Broadband needs to be more stable, consistent and reliable. the 50Mb to 100Mb range seems fast enough if it was reliable throughout the day and evening.

Come on VM its your last warning from me......

[denphone]

Yes l can certainly understand your sentiments hedgie as we ourselves have been with them since the Eurobell days and if they don't do anything this year which is highly unlikely then they could see the parting of the red sea as more and more customers migrate to rivals who are offering increasingly much more then Virgin are

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by denphone

Yes l can certainly understand your sentiments hedgie as we ourselves have been with them since the Eurobell days and if they don't do anything this year which is highly unlikely then they could see the parting of the red sea as more and more customers migrate to rivals who are offering increasingly much more then Virgin are

The thing is, Den, that Virgin always keep forthcoming changes very close to their chests. Hell, we rarely get advised officially of new channels half the time except to say they've arrived!

I think there will be a new Tivo box out later this year, and hopefully that will measure up to the Sky Q box.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by denphone

Yes l can certainly understand your sentiments hedgie as we ourselves have been with them since the Eurobell days and if they don't do anything this year which is highly unlikely then they could see the parting of the red sea as more and more customers migrate to rivals who are offering increasingly much more then Virgin are

Who are the rivals and what are increasingly offering more than VM?

There is still only one real rival, Sky, and their advantages over VM have been the same for several years, namely Sky Atlantic. VM countered some of that for sports fans by adding BT sport.

Until VM reveal their answer to Sky Q, and Sky Q hits peoples homes, which is a month away, you can't justifiably factor that in.

So what else has changed recently? BT got AMC but that doesn't make up for the lack of other channels compared to VM. Sky will be adding Showtime content. I think that Sky got many of the Showtime content anyway.

It seems to me that the Sky Q announcement, which without doubt is impressive, has made some people lose perspective of the true differences between Sky and VM which simply boils down to Sky Atlantic, which has been the same for several years.

Now if VM doesn't come up with an answer to Sky Q, then there is a point to make. But why aren't people prepared to wait for VM's response to Sky Q before deciding that VM's service is now poor in comparison to Sky?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by passingbat

Who are the rivals and what are increasingly offering more than VM?

There is still only one real rival, Sky, and their advantages over VM have been the same for several years, namely Sky Atlantic. VM countered some of that for sports fans by adding BT sport.

Until VM reveal their answer to Sky Q, and Sky Q hits peoples homes, which is a month away, you can't justifiably factor that in.

So what else has changed recently? BT got AMC but that doesn't make up for the lack of other channels compared to VM. Sky will be adding Showtime content. I think that Sky got many of the Showtime content anyway.

It seems to me that the Sky Q announcement, which without doubt is impressive, has made some people lose perspective of the true differences between Sky and VM which simply boils down to Sky Atlantic, which has been the same for several years.

Now if VM doesn't come up with an answer to Sky Q, then there is a point to make. But why aren't people prepared to wait for VM's response to Sky Q before deciding that VM's service is now poor in comparison to Sky?

I agree, PB.

The frustration is down to the lack of decent new channels and streaming services, slow Tivo speeds and the feeling that Sky is hogging content with more exclusive deals. So I think Den is right in that sense, and VM really need to offer additional content that sets it apart from Sky, but in a good way. The new streaming music channels are an advance, but VM customers seem to be demanding more.

[denphone]

They have stood still on the TV side for several years now as we are missing several channels we should have had a long time ago in my opinion plus their on demand has gone downhill significantly in these last couple of years as well as Sky's on demand simply blows it out of the water.

Next they have repeatedly upped their prices several times a year as well and its getting to the point where people say no more unless there is something in return which has certainly not been forthcoming by Virgin in these past couple of years.

Also they have been very slow to develop apps for the TiVo despite stating several times that things were going to happen and we are still waiting sadly for any improvement in this section.

l have not lost any perspective at all as l am just stating that if Virgin don't start to up their game soon they are going to lose quite a few customers and l think you would find that hard to argue with PB.

There are two unique selling points Virgin have currently and they are its excellent broadband and the XL TV pack having BT Sport and if those go they are in serious trouble in my opinion.

The TiVo was a excellent bit of kit when it was released but its looking its age now so again they need to do something there and its imperative that they have something up their sleeve there sometime this year or they will lose customers over that as well.

As l say many of its loyal customers are starting think the unthinkable and we certainly could not have said that several years ago but they have stood still and got complacent in my opinion while the competition has caught up and gone past them on several fronts now and l hate to say that.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by denphone

They have stood still on the TV side for several years now as we are missing several channels we should have had a long time ago in my opinion plus their on demand has gone downhill significantly in these last couple of years as well as Sky's on demand simply blows it out of the water.

Next they have repeatedly upped their prices several times a year as well and its getting to the point where people say no more unless there is something in return which has certainly not been forthcoming by Virgin in these past couple of years.

Also they have been very slow to develop apps for the TiVo despite stating several times that things were going to happen and we are still waiting sadly for any improvement in this section.

l have not lost any perspective at all as l am just stating that if Virgin don't start to up their game soon they are going to lose quite a few customers and l think you would find hard to argue with PB.

There are two unique selling points Virgin have currently and they are its excellent broadband and the XL TV pack having BT Sport and if those go they are in serious trouble in my opinion.

The TiVo was a excellent bit of kit when it was released but its looking its age now so again they need to do something there and its imperative that they have something up their sleeve there sometime this year or they will lose customers over that.

As l say many of its loyal customers are starting think the unthinkable and we certainly could not have said that several years ago but they have stood still and got complacent in my opinion while the competition has caught up and gone past them on several fronts now and l hate to say that.

I think VM have stood pretty still on adding new channels this last year, but 2014 was a bumper year and most of us were happy then, even though we were still lagging behind Sky.

[hedgie]

Originally Posted by denphone

They have stood still on the TV side for several years now .......

There are two unique selling points Virgin have currently and they are its excellent broadband and the XL TV pack having BT Sport and if those go they are in serious trouble in my opinion.

The TiVo was a excellent bit of kit when it was released but its looking its age now so again they need to do something there and its imperative that they have something up their sleeve there sometime this year or they will lose customers over that as well.

1-For me and many others suffering cripplingly bad connections due to overselling, poor network planning and under capacity the broadband is an unreliable second rate product. Their headline speeds are now so far beyond what most users actually need it doesn't matter if Sky or BT are slower, they are fast enough. So the BB advantage is being eroded anyway

2- The interface on the Sky+ was always better, more intuitive and faster than TiVO

3 - Maybe it's just me but Sky Go seems way better than TV Anywhere

4 - VM have no real version of sky store with Free DVD's.

Sorry but it needs to improve, and fast.