Calls for Cameron to step in after US bars British Muslim family from Disneyland trip

[Arthurgray50@blu]

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews...cid=spartanntp

I find this article absurd, first they get permission to fly, then it gets turned down without explanation and they will lose money

Don't you think that the family may have had enemies of jealousy and someone has called the USA Embassy.

There is more to this story, then what we are told

But then again, American has its rules, not like this pathetic Government who will let anyone in

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews...cid=spartanntp

I find this article absurd, first they get permission to fly, then it gets turned down without explanation and they will lose money

Don't you think that the family may have had enemies of jealousy and someone has called the USA Embassy.

There is more to this story, then what we are told

But then again, American has its rules, not like this pathetic Government who will let anyone in

What rules were they following or what rules did the family break?

[Stephen]

If you think there is more to this story then let us know what you think it is??

[techguyone]

As requested (Ok its the Fail but...)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-t-either.html

It does kinda put things in a different light. Like two sides to a story? this is 't other side.

[Ramrod]

LBC Breaking Verified account
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CBS News reports two of the brothers in the Muslim family group, stopped from boarding a flight to the US, 'hit positive for terror checks'

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Excellent unbiased sources - Katie (who can I hate today) Hopkins, and breitbart (look out, the Muslims are coming).

Really?

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Excellent unbiased sources - Katie (who can I hate today) Hopkins, and breitbart (look out, the Muslims are coming).

Really?

Yes really. A little while ago I posted a rant about lefties discrediting information purely on where it is published. I was told that this is never the case and yet here you are doing it again!
No attempt to look at the information and discuss it......simply straight to the "oh, it's in the <insert hated right wing press outlet> so it must be ignored"
Really?

[nomadking]

Link

A British holidaymaker said he was made to feel like a terrorist after he and his eight-year-old son were barred from the US because they were considered a possible threat to national security.
Martin Saunders, from Burnham-on-Crouch, Essex, was preparing to board a flight from Heathrow to New York with his son Drew when they were stopped by a man who said he was a US Homeland Security official.

Not a Muslim so of course not as much fuss.

[alanbjames]

No offence here to anyone but this is the issue all along...

We or another country are trying to say how to run their countries or change their laws. What happens in the USA should have no bearing on our government in this way.

Yes i admit its an absurd thing they have done, but we should not be telling other countries what to do.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Yes really. A little while ago I posted a rant about lefties discrediting information purely on where it is published. I was told that this is never the case and yet here you are doing it again!
No attempt to look at the information and discuss it......simply straight to the "oh, it's in the <insert hated right wing press outlet> so it must be ignored"
Really?

Hugh is hardly a lefty and since when does katie Hopkins deal in facts she's paid to give an opinion and in her case it's usually one that'll get her as much attention as possible

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Originally Posted by alanbjames

No offence here to anyone but this is the issue all along...

We or another country are trying to say how to run their countries or change their laws. What happens in the USA should have no bearing on our government in this way.

Yes i admit its an absurd thing they have done, but we should not be telling other countries what to do.

Yes we should be telling them exactly what we think imo when there to use your word absurd decision costs out citizens 9 grand

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Yes really. A little while ago I posted a rant about lefties discrediting information purely on where it is published. I was told that this is never the case and yet here you are doing it again!
No attempt to look at the information and discuss it......simply straight to the "oh, it's in the <insert hated right wing press outlet> so it must be ignored"
Really?

Actually, I think there is more to this incident than meets the eye, and I hope some factual information comes out.

However, using Katie Hopkins/breitbart as evidence, when their articles are non-fact based, and just use dog-whistle phrases, doesn't have any credibility.

I feel the same about the Mirror and the SWP publication, so I am an equal-opportunity sceptic.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Hugh is hardly a lefty and since when does katie Hopkins deal in facts she's paid to give an opinion and in her case it's usually one that'll get her as much attention as possible

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Yes we should be telling them exactly what we think imo when there to use your word absurd decision costs out citizens 9 grand

tbf, according to breitbart's standards, I probably am...

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Excellent unbiased sources - Katie (who can I hate today) Hopkins, and breitbart (look out, the Muslims are coming).

Really?

Oh dear that stupid woman again.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Actually, I think there is more to this incident than meets the eye, and I hope some factual information comes out.

However, using Katie Hopkins/breitbart as evidence, when their articles are non-fact based, and just use dog-whistle phrases, doesn't have any credibility.

I feel the same about the Mirror and the SWP publication, do I am an equal-opportunity sceptic.

The articles quoted their source of information.

Speaking to the Guardian, Mohammad Tariq Mahmood, who was travelling with his brother and nine of their children on a family holiday to Disneyland California, said:
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One of the brothers was interviewed on LBC Radio.
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CBS News reports two of the brothers in the Muslim family group, stopped from boarding a flight to the US, 'hit positive for terror checks'

CNN

A U.S. official on Wednesday told CNN that not all family members were prevented from traveling, but did not specify who would have been permitted to travel.

So we don't know who it was that was barred.

Yet another case from nearly 3 years ago, where they weren't Muslim so of course no fuss was made.

Two UK tourists were arrested, detained for 12 hours and then sent home after U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents misinterpreted one traveler's tweets containing British vernacular and a “Family Guy” reference as a terrorist threat.
According to The Daily Mail and photographs of Customs paperwork obtained by the independent British news agency Small World News Service, Leigh Van Bryan, 26, and Emily Banting, 24, raised suspicion of being terrorists of Bryan's tweets about "destroying America" and "****ing people off on Hollywood Blvd and diggin' Marilyn Monroe up."

Not a Muslim.

Japanese artist Fram Kitagawa has been denied a US visa, barring him from attending a conference on public art and activism at the University of Washington, because he took part in a protest against the expansion of a US military base in Sunagawa, Hokkaido, over 45 years ago.

And did the family joke about blowing things up and killing people?

If not, your reference is hardly relevant.

The Japanese artist was refused a visa, not stopped from boarding a plane - your straws really are being grasped at...

[techguyone]

Stop refusing to accept information because you don't like the messenger/their viewpoint.

Facts are facts.

I don't particularly like Katie Hopkins but her article just happened to be the first one to state their facts.


Like it or not, hidden deep in her bs ARE some facts as verified by other sources, which explain why the Americans chose to do what they did.