Unstoppable migration?

[ianch99]

Also loved this one from the well respected Gatestone Institute

Belgium Will Become an Islamic State

and the ever popular:

Iran Taking Over Latin America

[Ramrod]

You are taking the mick but I don't understand why

[techguyone]

I think for some of us, the very idea that these people would be anything but angels is just simply not possible. I don't understand that philosophy either. Time will tell.
Burying head in the sand or fingers in ears singing LaLaLa very loudly won't change that fact, let's revisit this in say... 6 months time & see what the crime stats say.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by techguyone

I think for some of us, the very idea that these people would be anything but angels is just simply not possible. I don't understand that philosophy either. Time will tell.
Burying head in the sand or fingers in ears singing LaLaLa very loudly won't change that fact, let's revisit this in say... 6 months time & see what the crime stats say.

Quite. They've had their brains washed by the PC brigade who routinely conflate any criticism of immigration policy with latent racism, xenophobia and far right extremism. Of course if they had a credible argument for disproving the assertion that a proportion of these migrants are going to cause us serious problems and a great many more are going to prove a considerable burden in other ways, they'd use it. The haven't so they can't, relying instead on name calling to stifle the debate they know they can't win. Far easier to call people names, selectively quote statistics and avoid any reference to any of the numerous cases in which migrants and even asylum seekers have taken advantage of their new host societies, committed serious crimes, refused to integrate or whatever.

Frankly I'd have more respect for them if they desisted with the token denial and chose to argue instead that it was a price worth paying in order to fulfil our humanitarian obligations to the many. Personally, I don't have a major problem with helping the needy, I just don't think the way to do that is to slowly ruin our own society in the process. Allowing vast numbers of people to move where they want to go is a recipe for disaster in so many ways, not the least of which is the cost to their own nations as the better off and most highly motivated exit for pastures new, leaving the most vulnerable behind to their fate.

I heard that the Syrian refugees coming here are being given 5 year visas but does anyone really expect them all to go back to Syria when that time is up? They will have built lives here, had children, put kids through school, got jobs etc. etc. etc. Can you imagine the scenes 5 years down the line when people who've built new lives here are asked to leave and go back to lives of uncertainty? What about those who've had children here in the meantime? I reckon most of them are here to stay yet you'll never hear anyone official acknowledge that likelihood, preferring instead to peddle the myth that they'll all return home rebuild their homelands. If I were in their shoes I know where I'd want to be.

We need to understand what's happening here and the forces which are being unleashed. There's huge resentment building up and no matter what the great and the good (usually very well insulated from the direct effects of their policies) like to tell us, unless they put a stop to this there's going to be an increasing amount of trouble throughout Europe and on its borders.

As regards crime:

The MPS (Metropolitan Police Service) crime recording system can not be searched to obtain details of someone’s status as a ‘foreign national’, only the nationality they give when the come to the attention of the Police. As a consequence there is no way to distinguish between residents of the UK (regardless of citizenship) and visitors from other countries.

Nationality is not a mandatory field in the MPS crime recording system and as such is not always completed or accused persons do not disclose this information. It is self defined and is a free text box. Nationality data is therefore only comprised of what was available to search.

http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/200...tistics-abuse/

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Osem

Quite. They've had their brains washed by the PC brigade who routinely conflate any criticism of immigration policy with latent racism, xenophobia and far right extremism. Of course if they had a credible argument for disproving the assertion that a proportion of these migrants are going to cause us serious problems and a great many more are going to prove a considerable burden in other ways, they'd use it. The haven't so they can't, relying instead on name calling to stifle the debate they know they can't win. Far easier to call people names, selectively quote statistics and avoid any reference to any of the numerous cases in which migrants and even asylum seekers have taken advantage of their new host societies, committed serious crimes, refused to integrate or whatever.

Frankly I'd have more respect for them if they desisted with the token denial and chose to argue instead that it was a price worth paying in order to fulfil our humanitarian obligations to the many. Personally, I don't have a major problem with helping the needy, I just don't think the way to do that is to slowly ruin our own society in the process. Allowing vast numbers of people to move where they want to go is a recipe for disaster in so many ways, not the least of which is the cost to their own nations as the better off and most highly motivated exit for pastures new, leaving the most vulnerable behind to their fate.

I heard that the Syrian refugees coming here are being given 5 year visas but does anyone really expect them all to go back to Syria when that time is up? They will have built lives here, had children, put kids through school, got jobs etc. etc. etc. Can you imagine the scenes 5 years down the line when people who've built new lives here are asked to leave and go back to lives of uncertainty? What about those who've had children here in the meantime? I reckon most of them are here to stay yet you'll never hear anyone official acknowledge that likelihood, preferring instead to peddle the myth that they'll all return home rebuild their homelands. If I were in their shoes I know where I'd want to be.

We need to understand what's happening here and the forces which are being unleashed. There's huge resentment building up and no matter what the great and the good (usually very well insulated from the direct effects of their policies) like to tell us, unless they put a stop to this there's going to be an increasing amount of trouble throughout Europe and on its borders.

As regards crime:



http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/200...tistics-abuse/

Try coming up with a concrete, positive suggestion on how these refugees can be helped close to where they live instead of endlessly complaining.

If half the energy was put into a coherent, well thought through plan to home these people in the countries near where they originate from, than is put into complaining that the migrants are coming "over here" to steal our benefits, rape our women or commit Jihadi terror, we would be in a far better position.

[techguyone]

What's your coherent well thought plan?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by techguyone

What's your coherent well thought plan?

I posted it many weeks ago on this thread ..

[Osem]

Originally Posted by techguyone

What's your coherent well thought plan?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Osem

At least I have one

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Try coming up with a concrete, positive suggestion on how these refugees can be helped close to where they live instead of endlessly complaining.

Are you serious?! Try reading my posts (#1000 fyi) instead of just sneering at them.
The refugees don't want to live near their origins, they want to live in Europe.

---------- Post added at 21:51 ---------- Previous post was at 21:47 ----------

Originally Posted by ianch99

complaining that the migrants are coming "over here" to steal our benefits, rape our women or commit Jihadi terror, we would be in a far better position.

Fairly valid complaint. Have you looked at the situation in Sweden or noticed what happened in France?

[Ramrod]

Mass Migration Pushing UK Wages Down

The growth in wages for UK workers is set to stall at just two per cent next year thanks to the large number of migrant workers waiting to fill vacancies
According to separate figures, the number of non-UK nationals in the workforce has rocketed from 986,000 in 1997 to 3.22 million now, thus making up more than 10 per cent of Britain’s workforce.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Mass Migration Pushing UK Wages Down

Kinda inevitable given the below.

Over the past 12 months, almost three-quarters of new jobs created went to non-UK nationals, according to official figures – 326,000, compared with the 122,000 jobs taken by UK workers.

Simple supply and demand. Although I'm sure the more politically correct will either try and deny it or say it's a necessary price to pay for cultural enrichment and essential for some kind of ponzi scheme theory of how to run an economy.

Property owners will I'm sure be happy also. Between government wheezes to prop prices up and ongoing importation of demand for housing alongside home factors alongside housebuilding being heavily down to a private sector that will obviously not fulfil demand as it'd be less profitable to they should be fine for a while longer.

[roughbeast]

I wonder how many people here recommending that we send refugees back to the war zones or allow them to perish at sea are also the same people who insist we are a Christian country.

A good re-read of the parable of The Good Samaritan might be in order here, even for atheists like me: 1. because that might guide so-called Christians to offer help to those who are suffering and 2. because the parable is a timely reminder that the hated Samaritans were also capable of great humanity.

---------- Post added at 12:47 ---------- Previous post was at 12:16 ----------

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Kinda inevitable given the below.



Simple supply and demand. Although I'm sure the more politically correct will either try and deny it or say it's a necessary price to pay for cultural enrichment and essential for some kind of ponzi scheme theory of how to run an economy.

Property owners will I'm sure be happy also. Between government wheezes to prop prices up and ongoing importation of demand for housing alongside home factors alongside housebuilding being heavily down to a private sector that will obviously not fulfil demand as it'd be less profitable to they should be fine for a while longer.

The undercutting of wages can be stopped overnight if the government actually enforced the existing minimum wage and its proposed 'living wage'.

It is obvious why local workers won't take the 'less than minimum wage' jobs. It doesn't pay enough to keep a family at the level they are accustomed to. For European migrants it is a different matter. Initially at least, they are mostly youngsters prepared to live in crowded conditionals with minimum overheads. This is still better than they might be used to back home and the jobs are vacant.

Properly enforce the minimum wage with determined detection and punitive fines and we might find that local workers fill the jobs instead. Migration of the sort we are discussing will slump rapidly.

I have a theory on this Igi.

I believe that the government has systematically avoided anything that really decreases immigration because it relies upon mass immigration to rescue us from recession. It is no mistake that immigration is unsustainable high. Immigration boosts demand, business start ups and the revenue stream. It is not austerity that has rescued our economy, even with lower corporation tax. It is immigration.

Of course this is unsustainable because the effects upon our society. even though most immigrant families integrate by the second or third generation. Too many too fast is damaging. Also the new, young and vigorous immigrants will eventually have families and will age. They will eventually contribute no more than the indigenous population. The Tories care not a jot about that. All they are concerned about is the next election and their economic credentials. They will sustain the lie about austerity as long as they can and will continue to lie about their dependence on high migration.

What I find so sickening is that the government has declined to invest its increased tax receipts in the services of those areas under most pressure from immigration. Some families have immigrated too, not all immigrants are youngsters, and of course the NHS and other services are really stretched already.

[Osem]

Sweden has introduced identity checks for travellers from Denmark in an attempt to reduce the number of migrants arriving in the country.

All travellers wanting to cross the Oresund bridge by train or bus, or use ferry services, will be refused entry without the necessary documents.

Rail commuters heading to Sweden will now have to change trains at Copenhagen Airport and go through ID checkpoints.

Sweden received more than 150,000 asylum applications in 2015.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35218921

Under the new Swedish law brought in late last year, transport companies will be fined 50,000 Swedish krona (£4,000; €5,400) if travellers to Sweden do not have a valid photo ID.

The Swedish government secured a temporary exemption from the European Union's open-border Schengen agreement, in order to impose the border controls.

Last month Sweden's state-owned train operator SJ announced it would stop services to and from Denmark because it could not carry out identity checks demanded by the new law.

To comply with the regulations, fencing has been erected around one of the platforms at the railway station at Copenhagen's Kastrup Airport.

How totally unexpected.

[Taf]

My Swedish friends have been waiting for this to happen for months. In fact not just waiting but campaigning actively.