Unstoppable migration?

[Osem]

I tend to agree. It's not going to end well and the resentment which is clearly being stored up across Europe is going to come to a head sooner or later. The only question is when and how bad.

[nomadking]

In Kempele, the rape of the schoolgirl, just a fortnight after the centre for young migrants opened, sent shockwaves through the community.
Rumours quickly spread around the town that two asylum seekers from Afghanistan had been arrested over the assault.
It has since emerged that police have arrested a 17-year-old boy at the centre, who is in custody awaiting trial.

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This is not the only rape case involving a migrant and a young girl in recent months, and this was not the only angry protest against the migrants arriving in their thousands every month.

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The day after the schoolgirl sex attack in Kempele, another 14-year-old girl was attacked in the southern town of Raisio. This time, the man arrested was a 19-year-old asylum seeker.
Two days later, Afghan Ramin Azimi was jailed for life for raping a 17-year-old Finnish girl from Pori and burning her alive.

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Newspapers are full of statistics about how an asylum seeker is eight times more likely to commit rape that a Finnish national, and increasing numbers of the country’s 5.5 million people are starting to feel at threat.

Why wouldn't people want these "nice" people to come?

The centre at Kempele in Finland only had 30 people, just think what would happen with the one for 1,500 proposed in Holland.

[Osem]

Why does it surprise anyone that, however much we may sympathise with them, bringing large numbers of people with all sorts of needs and issues (whether they be medical, psychological, educational and/or religious and cultural) might cause problems in areas which are already feeling hard done by as a result of cuts, austerity, unemployment or whatever?

Why does it surprise anyone that large numbers of people (mainly young men) who aren't allowed to work, don't speak the local language and have no support systems might resort to crime, especially when they've so often engaged in crime to get to their destinations in the first place?

Why does it surprise anyone that tensions arise between groups of migrants who don't want to get along with each other (and quite possibly have intractable historical cultural and religious reasons for not doing so) might clash and bring their simmering antagonism and hostility with them?

Why does it surprise anyone that people traumatised by conflict whether directly or indirectly might have considerable psychological problems which demand just the sort of mental health resources/long term treatment which are already in short supply and the lack of which is causing huge problems in our society?

Why does it surprise anyone that in tough circumstances such as these, migrants understandably tend to stick together with those they know and feel most comfortable (especially where there are strong religious and cultural factors) instead of integrating seamlessly into their new host societies?

Why does it surprise anyone that allowing free movement and giving refuge to people we usually have no detailed knowledge of might just result in an unknown number of wholly undesirable people gaining entry to and creating mayhem within their new host societies and quite possibly not even be removable?

Why does it surprise anyone that if you send out a 'welcome' whether directly in the form of a Merkel pronouncement or indirectly as a result of ineffectual border controls and immigration enforcement, desperate people from all around the globe might just want to take advantage and be inclined risk their lives to do so?

If none of the above are really any surprise to anyone with a brain, why are we still letting it happen in front of our eyes? Why aren't our generous and glorious leaders providing the additional services and infrastructure necessary to keep up with the extra demand they're imposing on our already overstretched services in so many areas? Why aren't our laws, rules and regulations being altered and strengthened to reflect the world we now live in, the abuse of the outdated HR system and the new and unpredictable risks we're facing as a result of what they're allowing to happen?

If, however, the above are still a big surprise to those who know best on our behalf you have to wonder what it's going to take to make them a) see sense and b) do something about it all?

[techguyone]

Because it's not PC innit ...

[Ramrod]

If, however, the above are still a big surprise to those who know best on our behalf you have to wonder what it's going to take to make them a) see sense and b) do something about it all?

I'm in no doubt as to why this is happening.
It is a stated aim of the EU (and the UN) that they want to or would like to homogenize the populations of countries as much as they can.
Unrestrained immigration gets them a long way down that road. The fact that we don't like it is of no consequence to them. It's all part of the project.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I'm in no doubt as to why this is happening.
It is a stated aim of the EU (and the UN) that they want to or would like to homogenize the populations of countries as much as they can.
Unrestrained immigration gets them a long way down that road. The fact that we don't like it is of no consequence to them. It's all part of the project.

Yes, I've previously alluded to the possibility of the apparent quest for chaos being part of (by intention or otherwise) a 'plan' in which the chosen few create the conditions in which they can take even great control of our lives than they already have. It's either happening through ineptitude or intent and neither is a comforting prospect...

[Kursk]

When the mess is complete, my guess is that those with the wealth will fly the coop. Those with the wealth will be those who are increasing their fortunes from the untold £millions sloshing around Europe.

The lights are about to go out and the 'ordinary' people will be left in the dark. Time to call it a day on the failed European shambles.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

.....to homogenize the populations....

It makes me want to throw up.

I think you're all trying too hard to find logic in the chaos. I think world leaders spending more of their time reacting to events rather than intentionally sparking them in motion. The migrant crisis was sparked by a war in Syria which was partly caused by the Arab Spring which in turn was caused by a great number of other factors.

Politicians don't have total control, all they can do is push a domino in a certain direction but really they have no idea where it could lead.

Generally I believe that when you can suddenly see order and sense in what is happening in the world then you probably don't understand it. I know I don't.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

I think you're all trying too hard to find logic in the chaos. I think world leaders spending more of their time reacting to events rather than intentionally sparking them in motion. The migrant crisis was sparked by a war in Syria which was partly caused by the Arab Spring which in turn was caused by a great number of other factors.

Politicians don't have total control, all they can do is push a domino in a certain direction but really they have no idea where it could lead.

Generally I believe that when you can suddenly see order and sense in what is happening in the world then you probably don't understand it. I know I don't.

Well I guess we were under the delusion that we could expect an iota of logic and even common sense from those who're supposedly running the show.

Yes, of course chaos always ensues in the immediate aftermath of sudden large scale events but how long has this migration issue and lack of border security been going on? Syria has just magnified what was already happening and what those in charge did sweet FA about. Europe's borders didn't become insecure after Syria, they've always been insecure and given what was agreed in the Schengen agreement and what we've known about Islamic (and other) terrorists, especially since 9/11 I find it remarkable that more effort was put into securing them long ago. Europe's handing of migration and asylum didn't become unsustainable and frankly dangerous as a result of Syria, it's been unfit for purpose for years.

Did Merkel's welcome invitation come as a total surprise to these people or was it given in full knowledge that the systems and resources to manage the situation weren't there and clearly wouldn't be for a very long time? Was her offer properly considered and planned for or just an unfortunate mistake?

Frankly the lack of any credible plan for what do in entirely predictable circumstances such as these, even now, is lamentable. That's clearly why a good number of member states have taken matters into their own hands and are doing what the Eurocrats still don't appear to have the will or foresight to do.

Thank the Lord that Cameron didn't add to our horrific migration burden (which he's managed to do sod all about) by jumping on Merkel's bandwagon and we're consequently taking a far smaller more easily managed number of people direct from refugee camps.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Damien

I think you're all trying too hard to find logic in the chaos.

With respect I think Osem has expressed exceptional clarity of thought.

The political logic appears to be planned chaos.

Originally Posted by Kursk

With respect I think Osem has expressed exceptional clarity of thought.

The political logic appears to be planned chaos.

I am not directing that at Osem. I am saying that anyone who claims to understand everything that is happening the world has probably misunderstood it, such is the complicity of it all. It extends to politicians who I think are more often held hostage to events rather than calmly planning them. It was more of a general point and a division from what I was originally talking about.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Damien

I am not directing that at Osem. I am saying that anyone who claims to understand everything that is happening the world has probably misunderstood it, such is the complicity of it all. It extends to politicians who I think are more often held hostage to events rather than calmly planning them. It was more of a general point and a division from what I was originally talking about.

Ok

Politicians can be hostage to whatever but I expect our leaders to be just that.

Reactivity isn't leadership imho.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Damien

I am not directing that at Osem. I am saying that anyone who claims to understand everything that is happening the world has probably misunderstood it, such is the complicity of it all.

I'm not claiming to understand everything. I'm simply pointing out that the EU has stated that the ultimate aim is to homogenize the populations of it's constituent countries........and people still wonder why they are now letting in lots of migrants! They've told us why, it's obvious!

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I'm not claiming to understand everything. I'm simply pointing out that the EU has stated that the ultimate aim is to homogenize the populations of it's constituent countries........and people still wonder why they are now letting in lots of migrants! They've told us why, it's obvious!

Can you share the link for this? Many thanks ..

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I'm not claiming to understand everything. I'm simply pointing out that the EU has stated that the ultimate aim is to homogenize the populations of it's constituent countries........and people still wonder why they are now letting in lots of migrants! They've told us why, it's obvious!

So wine lakes, butter mountains, straight bananas and all the rest were just a distraction?...

Anyway why would these power crazed loonies stop at homogenisation of the populace? They clearly don't want us to think for ourselves, God forbid disagree with them, so how best to ensure we all do what we're told...