Call for shut down of Muslim immigration

papa smurf · 08-12-2015, 06:07

Now Trump calls for a 'total and complete' shutdown of Muslim immigration into the U.S. after San Bernardino massacre - and is shunned by other Republicans

is he bonkers or what?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ed-States.html

**Damien** · 08-12-2015, 06:18

He keeps trying to get headlines by being more offensive and ridiculous as possible. It's worth remembering every other Republican candidate has condemned him for this and not a single vote has yet been cast in this race.

Osem · 08-12-2015, 06:45

If he carries on like this he'll soon be more of a joke than Corbyn, albeit on the opposite pole of the political spectrum.

Is it just a transient media obsession with him (a la Farage) or are his republican competitors really so insignificant?

**Damien** · 08-12-2015, 07:27

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Originally Posted by Osem

Is it just a transient media obsession with him (a la Farage) or are his republican competitors really so insignificant?

It's just his is the most news friendly of the lot whilst retraining electoral credibility. Most of the others come out with predictable and safe comments typical of those seeking election Trump comes out with sensational statements that beg to be made front-page news. Like Farage he also taps into populist opinion but unlikely Farage he doesn't care about saying something that just stays within the line and instead stampedes over the line into outrageousness.

It's not so much the status or the weight of the other candidates but our tendency to remember and look for the extremes of a debate/issue.

denphone · 08-12-2015, 07:29

His comments in are utterly reprehensible and one hopes he will get shown up as the race goes along for what he is.

Pierre · 08-12-2015, 08:27

He's having a ball, he has no desire to president whatsoever, and he just keeps coming out with more extreme bollocks just to see if he can get away with it.

**Damien** · 08-12-2015, 08:45

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Originally Posted by Pierre

He's having a ball, he has no desire to president whatsoever, and he just keeps coming out with more extreme bollocks just to see if he can get away with it.

I like the idea this is a prank that's gone too far. Each time he thinks that this time he's finally gone to far he is met with even more rapturous applause.

Osem · 08-12-2015, 08:50

Maybe he's just trying to show the world how many idiots there are in the US.

ianch99 · 08-12-2015, 09:02

I think ISIS are now Trump supporters

Music for their ears .. just what they want.

Ramrod · 08-12-2015, 10:31

I do not agree with him but I can't help wondering what we would be saying if the roles were reversed and there had been an outbreak of religiously motivated christian terrorist attacks in ,lets say, Saudi Arabia. The Saudis have now started to talk about banning any more christians emigrating to their country. What would the comments here be?

**Damien** · 08-12-2015, 10:45

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

I do not agree with him but I can't help wondering what we would be saying if the roles were reversed and there had been an outbreak of religiously motivated christian terrorist attacks in ,lets say, Saudi Arabia. The Saudis have now started to talk about banning any more christians emigrating to their country. What would the comments here be?

We hold America to a higher standard than Saudi Arabia. I don't think anyone here holds any illusions as to what that country is like. The fact you have to go to them to make a comparison to Trump shows how extreme his comments are.

Ramrod · 08-12-2015, 11:42

I picked them at random. Let's say Yemen or Iran or Turkey. Pick one. What do you think that we would be saying about their (hypothetical) reaction?

Stop It · 08-12-2015, 11:52

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

I picked them at random. Let's say Yemen or Iran or Turkey. Pick one. What do you think that we would be saying about their (hypothetical) reaction?

How about not playing stupid games and deal with what has actually happened eh?

Trump is a complete idiot. A Head Of State is meant to represent an entire nation, not just a majority and certainly not just angry people who have it in for the world.

We have seen what happens when people are targeted for their religion, we should never go anywhere near that again and Trump has veered into fascism territory with his comments.

**Damien** · 08-12-2015, 12:09

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

I picked them at random. Let's say Yemen or Iran or Turkey. Pick one. What do you think that we would be saying about their (hypothetical) reaction?

I don't know but the banning of an entire religion is only an action we would expect of a really oppressive state. I don't think we would say much because we already expect it. Now if a traditional liberal, Western, state had a serious politician suggest it the condemnation would be swift.

I don't understand the point here. I can't see a legitimate comparison to be made between a liberal democracy and a country like Iran. I assume you're trying to point out a different in how they would be treated but it's so contingent on the nation doing it that of course the reaction would be different.

Ramrod · 08-12-2015, 14:03

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Originally Posted by Stop It

How about not playing stupid games and deal with what has actually happened eh?

Nothing has happened. He's simply chucked a stupid statement out there (probably to deflect attention from some other news that he wanted buried).
It is interesting though that there seems to be one rule for what 'western' polititians are allowed to say and another for what would probably be tolerated from muslim leaders.