Doctors detail Plans for Three Days of Strikes

[Arthurgray50@blu]

http://news.sky.com/story/1586579/do...ays-of-strikes

I am in total agreement with what they are doing. That is one job that l would not do.

They train for 5- 8 years to become a doctor, and they get treated like crap by the government.

A neighbour of mine is a Doctor, and he works in the local hospital and at a GP surgery, as he wants to go into that side of medicine. He told me that he often work 90 hours per week.
That is one job that l would NOT do

[Stephen]

Fixed your link.

[Taf]

I am always concerned that overworked, overtired, junior doctors are liable to make mistakes.

But once qualified they earn a very tidy sum and can often retire a lot earlier than most people.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Taf

I am always concerned that overworked, overtired, junior doctors are liable to make mistakes.

But once qualified they earn a very tidy sum and can often retire a lot earlier than most people.

Is the right answer, once qualified they are on small fortunes and earn even more money doing the locum/contract work

Primary care needs to be brought into line with the modern working world

[Gary L]

If they go on strike Dave is going to get very very cross. and is going to put his serious face on.

[heero_yuy]

Just the unions using another proxy to attack a legitimately elected government.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Gary L

If they go on strike Dave is going to get very very cross. and is going to put his serious face on.

They may just photoshop his serious face on?

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Just the unions using another proxy to attack a legitimately elected government.

You're funny

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Just the unions using another proxy to attack a legitimately elected government.

I think the Junior Doctors clearly feel aggrieved without prompting. The Government is trying to meet their promise of a 7-day NHS with the same budget as the 5-day NHS. The Government may be democratically elected but that doesn't give them the mandate to impose new contracts on Doctors without dissent.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Damien

I think the Junior Doctors clearly feel aggrieved without prompting. The Government is trying to meet their promise of a 7-day NHS with the same budget as the 5-day NHS. The Government may be democratically elected but that doesn't give them the mandate to impose new contracts on Doctors without dissent.

Are you sure?

Junior doctors are being used as pawns in a political war waged by union militants, an MP claimed last night.

Andrea Jenkyns questioned the motives of British Medical Association chiefs in calling a strike in a row about overtime pay.

She hit out after a Sun on Sunday investigation revealed senior members of the BMA’s ruling council have links to the hard-Left.

Some have given speeches at Marxist festivals while others campaigned for the election of Jeremy Corbyn as Labour leader.

Linky

I like to see what behind the sceens links there may be in any disruptive action. Sorry, I'll go and get my tin foil helmet.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Are you sure?



Linky

I like to see what behind the sceens links there may be in any disruptive action. Sorry, I'll go and get my tin foil helmet.

I am sure the BMA does have dodgy people on it, or at least people with a political agenda, the top brass at most unions are far more politically active than their members. I remember the NUS where the 'officers' at the Uni were completely disconnected from the student body and the top officials at the NUS are basically career politicians looking for a path to the Labour party.

However that doesn't mean the Junior Doctors are the borg mindlessly following the directives of the senior members of the BMA. They're quite capable of forming their own opinions of their working conditions and contracts. You look at the offer the Junior Doctors have and the 11% pay rise is coming with a reduction in overtime pay and committing them to working the extra hours they already do as overtime.

A few people in senior positions on the BMA doesn't discredit the entire profession anymore than a handful of dodgy Tories discredits Conservatism.

[figgyburn]

Yes the doctors are complaining about work overload and what are we going to do to ease the pressure?.Bring in 20,000+ "refugees/freeloaders all who will be needing/demanding medical assistance.Every little helps.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Taf

I am always concerned that overworked, overtired, junior doctors are liable to make mistakes.

But once qualified they earn a very tidy sum and can often retire a lot earlier than most people.

Given how long it takes them to qualify and the work they have to put in to get there I'm certainly not going to begrudge them the money they make.

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Are you sure?

Linky

I like to see what behind the sceens links there may be in any disruptive action. Sorry, I'll go and get my tin foil helmet.

I'm sure it's very convenient to blame unions for everything, however I'd suggest that, just as with teaching, it's the government declaring war on the profession, not the other way around.

The government has made an utter, utter balls up of their handling of the NHS over the past years. An expensive balls up at that. I wonder what's next on their list given that'll be education and health that have been blessed by their Midas touch with the resultant strikes and issues obtaining and retaining staff.

I would say the junior doctors feel much the same as many teachers. That they are seen by the government as obstacles to their dogma, rather than as trained, qualified people to be worked with to deliver the best result for the people.

I presume, then, that the unions also forced the doctors to get their GMC status certificates, and caused the recruitment issues and increased staff turnover in teaching. (NB the government will tell you there is no issue. This is complete excrement. Schools are having to advertise and recruit abroad in order to try and fill vacancies because the government has so little regard for the profession and has ensured everyone in the UK knows it. Yet more wasted money that should be going towards delivering education.).

Those unions really do have incredible influence if they can tell staff to leave the profession, leave the country, or even not join the profession in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Damien

A few people in senior positions on the BMA doesn't discredit the entire profession anymore than a handful of dodgy Tories discredits Conservatism.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if it were an attack angle. Hunt is quite aware that he has no evidence-based argument for the changes he wants to impose. Evidence-based policy has never been a strength for politicians on the whole.

Peter Hitchens was absolutely right when he said that the first thing that should be done is for Jeremy Hunt to step aside. Just as Gove did he has entirely lost the confidence of those at the 'coal face' of his department and will probably be every bit as poisonous. They can always replicate education and replace him with someone who is a complete waste of space so that he can pull the strings from the background.

[Gavin78]

We are all in the same boat working for the NHS I work as a healthcare and I often put more ours in than I get paid and never get back.

While we don't work 90hr weeks we still feel the burden as can't just walk off the ward the min the clock strikes home time.

I still have to question some of the 90hr days though we often have SHO's cover our ward and they usually finish by 5pm it's not often you see them working later.