Boris Johnson: We can't rule out a Paris style attack

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Osem. I agree totally.
But l was brought up with this verse ' Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me'

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Osem. I agree totally.
But l was brought up with this verse ' Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me'

Pity you didn't learn this one...

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than speak and remove all doubt."

[Gary L]

Bullies are losers Arthur

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Osem. I agree totally....

Are you sure? I mean you've just denied hating the Tories...

[Ignitionnet]

Arthur,

Boris was being optimistic. I would go beyond not being able to rule it out and say it's almost inevitable.

What can our police do about it, though? French police are armed, ours generally are not. The average bobby on the beat will get shot and that'll be that.

As far as Osem goes just follow the advice next to his name to ignore trolls and idiots. As a general rule those who try the hardest to claim the moral high-ground are usually the lowest of character.

Though you must try harder. When confronted by reasoned argument he can't pick holes in he'll reach for the ignore button, and that should be your goal

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Osem

That's the first time I can recall you saying anything accurate.



Really? I'm assuming you didn't mean this then?

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35778703-post79.html




and this:



and this:



Arthur, you are a Grade A, Class 1 idiot.

Shouldn't you be ignoring him then rather than trolling him

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Arthur,

Boris was being optimistic. I would go beyond not being able to rule it out and say it's almost inevitable.

What can our police do about it, though? French police are armed, ours generally are not. The average bobby on the beat will get shot and that'll be that.

A police officer with a holstered sidearm is no match for a suicidal jihadi with an AK47. The arming or otherwise of coppers is a red herring in this case. The real issue is how many trained ARUs we have and how quickly they can be deployed.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Chris

A police officer with a holstered sidearm is no match for a suicidal jihadi with an AK47. The arming or otherwise of coppers is a red herring in this case.

Most Police issue weapons aren't an equal match for military style hardware but with easier access to firearms then they can attempt some form of containment instead of the current policy of running away.

Originally Posted by Chris

The real issue is how many trained ARUs we have and how quickly they can be deployed.

Not enough and not quickly enough. I'm sure the most recent numbers for England and Wales showed a drop of 14% or so since 2012 going down to 5000 ish. I'd reckon that's overly weighted to London which when you take leave/illness/training into account doesn't leave a lot to cover the rest of the country.

[Osem]

Presumably special forces are the ones who'd also be drafted in to deal with major incidents such as Paris but how readily are they available I wonder? If maniacs are roaming the streets killing at random then even a few minutes delay in a decisive response is going to result in fatalities. The prospect of any such attack and the stark reality of what we face really do make a mockery of Corbyn's stance. Civilian fatalities are inevitable so the best we can hope to do is end any killing spree as soon as possible and accept that doing that may involve innocent people being caught up in the crossfire.

Originally Posted by Derek

Most Police issue weapons aren't an equal match for military style hardware but with easier access to firearms then they can attempt some form of containment instead of the current policy of running away.

I can see that being problematic - there might just be an argument for the deterrent effect of an armed constabulary, if you are trying to deter armed and lawless behaviour on city streets (not an argument I would agree with, incidentally), but in those cases you're arming the polis against idiots with badly maintained pistols and sawn-off shot guns, most of whom don't know how to shoot straight. Not saying it isn't dangerous for the police officer in the firing line, but it is relatively less risky than confronting a well tooled up and ideologically motivated nutter with a death wish. What we need is readily deployable SWAT teams whose armour and other equipment is up to the task.

Asking a policeman with a Glock, a stab vest and a Prussian army helmet to take on a jihadi with an AK is nuts - you might as well give him the number for Lawyers4You to keep with his warrant card.

Not enough and not quickly enough. I'm sure the most recent numbers for England and Wales showed a drop of 14% or so since 2012 going down to 5000 ish. I'd reckon that's overly weighted to London which when you take leave/illness/training into account doesn't leave a lot to cover the rest of the country.

They should send a few down south under the mutual aid arrangements. I'm sure Inverness can spare them.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Chris

Asking a policeman with a Glock, a stab vest and a Prussian army helmet to take on a jihadi with an AK is nuts - you might as well give him the number for Lawyers4You to keep with his warrant card.

Right now you are asking cops armed with a hollow metal tube, some hot sauce in a can and a stab vest to keep tabs on armed nutters while the nearest ARV gets tooled up and heads to the area.

Any jihadi wandering over is given free reign to wander about, reload, update his Twitter and generally cause mayhem till then.

Given we can train cops in NI up to basic firearms standards to use handguns, carbines and tasers in two weeks and expect them to deal with an enemy using jihadi style weapons I don't think the current rUK system is safe or sustainable.

Originally Posted by Chris

They should send a few down south under the mutual aid arrangements. I'm sure Inverness can spare them.

Then what would the Daily Record complain about?

[Taf]

The UK appears to have focused its efforts on prevention rather than cure: arrest the would-be murderers before they can act.

Good work for lawyers after that, but at least the deaths are reduced or nil. But then you will have radicals imprisoned with non-radicals, not a good way to move forward to peace in the future.

As for any armed response to an attack, it'll probably be too little, too late, for many targeted, especially as they will probably be soft targets in large crowds. And Paris has just shown us that the attackers may well be waiting with suicide in mind, also with soft targets around them.

And now we have the leader of the Labour party saying he would not support a shoot-to-kill policy during a live terrorist attack.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Though you must try harder. When confronted by reasoned argument he can't pick holes in he'll reach for the ignore button, and that should be your goal

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After Corbyn's errors of judgement, I would be suprised if the moderates start a coup sooner rather than later:

Jeremy Corbyn backlash over views on shoot-to-kill

that or form a new Labour party ..

[tweetiepooh]

Without giving away our freedoms to an extent we don't want you can't police everything against terror groups as they can attack anywhere and at any time. Their whole ethos is to create terror (fear). We can counter that by, with sensible precautions, not giving in to fear.

We don't simply give up our freedoms and become what they want which would be the cowering masses controlled by the few. Arming police, enforced ID cards. gaol with out trial and so on and they scored a victory.

[figgyburn]

No matter how well armed our robocops are they will always be reacting to situations after the event.I'm afraid the pondlife are controlling the narrative.