Police seek powers to access browsing history of UK computer users

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Gary L

She's looking old is our Theresa.
old, miserable, sad and worn out.

What she needs is a rest Gaz. Let all the air out and give her a good wash .

[Gary L]

That's one thing that stands out about her. she looks like she could do with a good wash.

does anyome know how she's keeping at home?
whether she's eating and cleaning herself properly?

[Tezcatlipoca]

Does our awful Home Secretary just assume that every one in the UK is a potential paedo-terrorist?


Hopefully the Lords will give the Government another kicking.

It's going ahead: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34715872

Rumors are, via Guardian Live Blog, that they're going to put 'friendly' people in the committee that will examine the bill as that is where it fell apart last time.

Also it's not super clear but it appears the police will be able to see the domains you've visited, when you did so and the applications/protocols you used without a warrant and further investigation will then require a warrant. Quite how they'll access some of this content isn't clear to me, the ISPs can't store a lot of that, nor is the Governments encryption thing clear either.

[Gary L]

Dave's just worried that he's not very safe with all the Police he's took away.

I mean the terrorists will go for the big target first right?

London even.
I reckon the odds are better than winning £25 on the lottery.

[Anonymouse]

It's all utterly useless anyway! D'you know what I would do if I were a terrorist? I'll tell you: with all this bloody surveillance going on, I'd go old-school...i.e. avoid use of the Internet altogether.

All the old techniques still work, and how difficult was it for the security services back then to track criminals/terrorists? Isn't it an obvious thing for them to do? What did they do before there was an Internet? Why can't those same techniques work today?

It has nothing to do with "terrorism", and everything to do with their desire to control every aspect of our lives.

Yet again, I note in passing that I do not intend to disappear from public view at any time in the near -










































- just kidding : - in the near future (hi, Echelon!).

[Gary L]

The British government are actually quite thick though.
they think that the terrorists thing should be being played by their rules. and that this thing is you'll have to like it or lump it thing to the terrorists. and the terrorists say damn! we'll have to give up being terrorists now because they have the upper hand.

but it's not true.
the British government are actually dumb, soft and a walk over.

it's not about terrorism at all.
but we're too dumb, soft and a walk over to realise it.
we need foreigners to tell us how stupid we are and to wake up and smell the coffee.

and they..
I'll be right back there's some strange looking Bible bashers with sunglasses just got out of Gods blacked out van coming up my drive.

[pip08456]

You've all missed the point here.

All the government are trying to do is save money.

Get the ISP's to collect and keep the data, close GCHQ and save millions having someone else do their job.

ISP's (and mobile companies) then pass the cost on to customers.

The government then makes a "slight" reduction in taxation and says "Look what a good job we're doing!"[COLOR="Silver"]

I think everyone has missed the point here.

All the government are trying to do is save money.

Get the ISP's to collect and keep the data, close GCHQ and save millions having someone else do their job.

ISP's (and mobile companies) then pass the cost on to customers.

The government then makes a "slight" reduction in taxation and says "Look what a good job we're doing!"

[Tezcatlipoca]

Save money?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...edward-snowden

Home Office estimates put the extra costs of storing internet connection records and the new judicial oversight regime at £245m to £250m over 10 years after the legislation comes into force in December next year. This includes £175m for the cost of storing everyone’s internet records and £60m for the extra judicial oversight.

Sadly, I expect this to pass. We all know how Labour loves authoritarianism, so it's unlikely to provide any opposition.

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Theresa May outlines plans to remove civil liberties before terrorists do

Labour pretty much gave the nod to this today with a fantastic bit of toadying from political chameleon Burnham today.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Damien

Labour pretty much gave the nod to this today with a fantastic bit of toadying from political chameleon Burnham today.

Their only regret is that they couldn't get it through themselves. Illiberal tools.

[Tezcatlipoca]

Originally Posted by Damien

Labour pretty much gave the nod to this today with a fantastic bit of toadying from political chameleon Burnham today.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Their only regret is that they couldn't get it through themselves. Illiberal tools.

Indeed.



BBC News: Giant database plan 'Orwellian'

Originally Posted by BBC News, Wednesday, 15 October 2008

Proposals for a central database of all mobile phone and internet traffic have been condemned as "Orwellian".
Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said the police and security services needed new powers to keep up with technology.
And she promised that the content of conversations would not be stored, just times and dates of messages and calls.
But the Lib Dems slammed the idea as "incompatible with a free country", while the Tories called on the government to justify its plans...

Ah, Jacqui Smith... yet another one of the many awful Home Secretaries we have suffered.

Fat load of good the Lib Dems will be with their 9 seats as well. The SNP are probably our best hope for a vocal opposition to these plans.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Damien

The SNP are probably our best hope for a vocal opposition to these plans.

????

Their plans for mass state intrusion into the lives of Scots makes this look like a kids first surveillance toy. They'll make some noise about it but if it ever came close to killing it they'd fold in no time.