[Update] Jeremy Corbyn wins Labour Leadership

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I am not really surprised ( but am a little amused) by our left wing bretherens resounding silence about their beloved leader being financially supported by supporters of terror.
Anyway, in todays news;
By hiring Seumas Milne, Jeremy Corbyn shows his utter contempt for real Labour voters

To be honest by appointing Milne it does at least show he isn't backing down from his plan to move further left and IMO that will hasten his removal from the leadership position. The fact Milne has 'taken a temporary leave' rather than resigned his Guardian position makes me think he knows it isn't for the long term.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I am not really surprised ( but am a little amused) by our left wing bretherens resounding silence about their beloved leader being financially supported by supporters of terror.
Anyway, in todays news;
By hiring Seumas Milne, Jeremy Corbyn shows his utter contempt for real Labour voters

Yeah far better for a party to be funded by hedge funds and tax avoiders and for them to shape government policy, that's clearly much better and working out great for everyone, well everyone except the vast vast majority of us

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...-conservatives

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Yeah far better for a party to be funded by hedge funds and tax avoiders

As opposed to supporters of terrorism?....Erm, yes

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Damien

To be honest by appointing Milne it does at least show he isn't backing down from his plan to move further left and IMO that will hasten his removal from the leadership position. The fact Milne has 'taken a temporary leave' rather than resigned his Guardian position makes me think he knows it isn't for the long term.

Corbyn does indeed appear determined to take Labour into the realms of the regressive left.

Pity.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

As opposed to supporters of terrorism?....Erm, yes

Erm no if that parties in government and having policy shaped by them as ever with Corbyn what is actually happening is being overlooked in favour of what might happen

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Erm no if that parties in government and having policy shaped by them as ever with Corbyn what is actually happening is being overlooked in favour of what might happen

I disagree.

[ianch99]

Parties will always have lunatic supporters - this applies to both sides of the political divide.

The problem with the current government is that the funding it gets from the "big business" and the City directly results in advantage for these privileged few to the direct detriment of the rest of the population. The disparity in wealth we have now which directly fuels the (London) property market will lead to real problems for the current and future generations. The mindless pandering to the market wherever it wants to go together with the wilful refusal to responsibly invest in the infrastructure of the country will lead to a place we all do not want to go. The bad news is that without a credible opposition, that is where we are going like it or not.

The fact that Corbyn has a lunatic supporter is meaningless when compared to what Dave is doing to the country ..

[denphone]

The Conservatives have been in power near on 6 years now so they cannot blame previous governments anymore so if they make a balls up in these next four years then they only have themselves to blame for it.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by denphone

The Conservatives have been in power near on 6 years now so they cannot blame previous governments anymore so if they make a balls up in these next four years then they only have themselves to blame for it.

Not so sure about that Den. Plenty here who still blame Thatcher.

Only one year of a true blue government anyway.

[denphone]

Yes Maggie was certainly a very polarising figure for some that's for sure.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by ianch99

The fact that Corbyn has a lunatic supporter is meaningless when compared to what Dave is doing to the country ..

You're right, let's just brush aside the inconvenient fact that Corbyn was funded by terror supporters......and tried to hide that

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by ianch99

The fact that Corbyn has a lunatic supporter is meaningless when compared to what Dave is doing to the country ..

I don't think this is a binary issue. We can be concerned by Mr Corbyn's less than stellar company he associates with at the same time as being concerned by the government.

A strong opposition is vital. If we find ourselves with an impotent opposition, led by a man who is having to spend most of his time with fingers in ears due to it increasingly appearing like he's authoritarian, illiberal and has a disdain for many aspects of 'western' life given his repeated associations with those who dislike us it weakens us.

I was rather hoping for progressive, liberal, left-wing politics from Mr Corbyn as a contrast to the Conservatives. Instead we seem to be getting authoritarian, regressive left-wing politics, straight out of the books of the Social Justice Warriors.

Tempted to start putting Corbyn quotes here as challenges.

Joined the Labour Party in the hope that from the ashes something good would be born. Thusfar I've been.... disappointed. I'm not that far away from leaving.

I would join the Liberal Democrats if they weren't so far up the EU's behind that you can tell when Juncker necks his first cognac of the day by the flush on Tim Farron's face.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

I would join the Liberal Democrats if they weren't so far up the EU's behind that you can tell when Juncker necks his first cognac of the day by the flush on Tim Farron's face.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

I don't think this is a binary issue. We can be concerned by Mr Corbyn's less than stellar company he associates with at the same time as being concerned by the government.

A strong opposition is vital. If we find ourselves with an impotent opposition, led by a man who is having to spend most of his time with fingers in ears due to it increasingly appearing like he's authoritarian, illiberal and has a disdain for many aspects of 'western' life given his repeated associations with those who dislike us it weakens us.

I was rather hoping for progressive, liberal, left-wing politics from Mr Corbyn as a contrast to the Conservatives. Instead we seem to be getting authoritarian, regressive left-wing politics, straight out of the books of the Social Justice Warriors.

Tempted to start putting Corbyn quotes here as challenges.

Joined the Labour Party in the hope that from the ashes something good would be born. Thusfar I've been.... disappointed. I'm not that far away from leaving.

I would join the Liberal Democrats if they weren't so far up the EU's behind that you can tell when Juncker necks his first cognac of the day by the flush on Tim Farron's face.

You are right, it is not binary. I was just emphasising the relative importance of the two. We certainly should be concerned but probably when the hyperbole turns into real Labour Party policy. At the moment it is just a "Corbyn's friends are nutters" fixation. At this point the electorate will have a real choice on policy until then it is just media conjecture where he really will take Labour.

I am more worried about where the people who are actually in power are taking the country especially when they are so fixated on simplistic market driven principles together with "run the country like your household" economic policy.

It would be an interesting exercise to compare the leading 1st world countries and look at national infrastructure ownership & investment policy. I wonder how Britain compares in this respect especially the borrowing (at historically cheap rates) to invest in infra projects

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by ianch99

At the moment it is just a "Corbyn's friends are nutters" fixation.

.....and quite rightly so. One is judged by the company one keeps