Cameron lied to get back in (tax credits and hard working people)

[ianch99]

Hilarious that when someone highlights that the current Government policy is flawed, they react that the whole story is a "plant" and the reporting organisation is biased.

Maybe Ex-Tory minister Andrew Mitchell is a BBC "plant"?:

Tory MPs increase pressure on Osborne to soften tax credit cuts

[denphone]

Even Boris is worried about it....

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1ee67d80-6...#axzz3ovIAnVv2

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ax-credit-cuts

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Looks more and more like a lefty BBC plant, carefully coached, and intended to make the government look cruel and nasty.

This is Cybernat levels of conspiracy.

Besides as Ianch99 has pointed out this is hardly a popular policy so I can't imagine the 'lefty BBC' would have needed to bother finding a plant. There are a number of Tories uncomfortable with this and even The Sun has come out against it.

Sometimes the Tories do have unpopular policies that negatively impact people's lives and that is their own fault. You can't keep blaming Labour/the BBC/Liberals.

[heero_yuy]

Yet as Hugh pointed out in post #9 the woman will not be affected in anyway by the changes so why the vehement emotional attack?

There are any number of explanations from simple ignorance to being put up to do it. It's just the sort of stunt that the left love like spitting in your boss's tea or hoping a Tory conference delegate gets raped.

[denphone]

Yes she obviously won't be affected but many will and if the Conservatives don't realise that then they only have themselves to blame for getting into a mess as politicians need to listen and not just pay lip service to voters concerns as history clearly tells us that if party's don't listen and learn then eventually they will be punished at the ballot box..

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Yet as Hugh pointed out in post #9 the woman will not be affected in anyway by the changes so why the vehement emotional attack?

Maybe she didn't understand it? The letters haven't yet been sent out and there is probably a great deal of confusion on who is getting their credits cut and who isn't. Most people probably think tax credits are simply disappearing.

There are any number of explanations from simple ignorance to being put up to do it. It's just the sort of stunt that the left love like spitting in your boss's tea or hoping a Tory conference delegate gets raped.

The left contains a great spectrum of people from those who riot to those who are more considerate. Just like everyone on the right isn't a EDL member not everyone on the left subscribes to the socialist worker. There isn't any need to assume that those with different political views are these grotesque charactertures.

The SNP Twitter trolls made these exact same accusations of plants during a BBC indyref debate when someone challenged Dear Leader in a aggressive way.

[adzii_nufc]

I won't be affected in any way but it's still a pretty horrid plan, so you can count me as a 'BBC plant' if you like. As pointed out earlier, a lot more people would feel so much more comfortable with:

The other measures should be in place before they are removed.

As said earlier in the thread.

As also pointed out, I absolutely loath how they manage to make cuts to every single corner of the country besides their own pocket. I hardly ever bother with politics because they're all full of brown stuff. Labour - give everyone what they want, bankrupt and eventually turn the country upside down whilst lying through elections. Tories - Take it all away, lie through elections, tears like a wet paper towel when under pressure from foreign nations.

It's hopeless, a giant game of ping pong and we're the ball.

People wonder why Afghanistan keep asking why we wish to install a government when they simply don't want one.. I think I realise now why they don't want it.

Be real here, how are employers going to fund the makeup for the tax credits? assuming they do manage, no doubt the cost of living will just rise with your pay rise

It's easy enough to say businesses have had it easy, the well off well respected business will have already been paying their employees over minimum wage. I know quite a lot of businesses that are relatively small that pay minimum wage and are still on the brink, this will knock them over the edge.

Seen the plastic bag debate? let's be real again and honest, the people complaining don't give a toss about 5 pence, they just love the chance to have a good old tory bashing rant. These are the same people that get to vote... What's the point anymore.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Damien

This is Cybernat levels of conspiracy.

Besides as Ianch99 has pointed out this is hardly a popular policy so I can't imagine the 'lefty BBC' would have needed to bother finding a plant. There are a number of Tories uncomfortable with this and even The Sun has come out against it.

Sometimes the Tories do have unpopular policies that negatively impact people's lives and that is their own fault. You can't keep blaming Labour/the BBC/Liberals.

In the best spirit of pantomime, "Oh yes they can"!

[Osem]

Never mind, things can only get better...

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Hugh

However, it would appear the lady who was so eloquent/passionate on QT will not be affected by the changes...

Well that's ok then - if i doesn't affect you then that's the only thing that matters. No wonder she's a Tory !

Fact is Dave and his ministers outright lied about Tax Credits. They point blank and continually refused to say before the election where the massive savings in welfare would come from. They must have known.

I'm not surprised, nor should anybody else be. Politicians lie to get into power, dealing with the consequences is a minor detail once they've got that power. They hope by the time the next election will come around the fools will have forgotten.

I've limited sympathy for those that are complaining now but voted Tory. A lot of them must have done. The British public really aren't the smartest.

The 8 billion NHS funding lie will be next.

[Taf]

Next Spring we shall see how employers tackle the rise in their wage bills. Trim the staff levels, absorb the cost?

If it's the former, I forsee a lot of industrial unrest as the dole queues start to grow.

This thread shows why the quality of our politicians has sunk "a lefty plant" nice way to buy into the divide and conquer mentality that has allowed things to get the way they are. Just because your not hit by a measure shouldn't mean it isn't opposed by you if it's wrong and especially if it's a lie everyone of us should be up in arms about the lies. I won't be hit by any tax credit change but doesn't mean I should just green light it, this is what they want be they red, blue or yellow keeping quiet and going along splitting us into ever smaller more devisive groups fighting each other. For the record until the last election I'd been a conservative voter all my adult life, but even I could see at the last election they weren't being honest and that ideology not the public good was driving them.

Conservative MP uses her Maiden speech to attack tax credit changes: http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/201...x-credit-cuts/

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Or she could have been paid by Dave and a deliberate plant to show people that he's the boss.

or she simply may have been naturaly worried what with all the cuts that she's going to lose money one way or another.

Except that she won't be losing any money!

But why let the facts get in the way of a good lefties argument?

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Hilarious that when someone highlights that the current Government policy is flawed, they react that the whole story is a "plant" and the reporting organisation is biased.

Maybe Ex-Tory minister Andrew Mitchell is a BBC "plant"?:

Tory MPs increase pressure on Osborne to soften tax credit cuts

Did you miss the bit that this lady won't be losing out at all?

---------- Post added at 12:02 ---------- Previous post was at 11:59 ----------

Originally Posted by Damien

This is Cybernat levels of conspiracy.

Besides as Ianch99 has pointed out this is hardly a popular policy so I can't imagine the 'lefty BBC' would have needed to bother finding a plant. There are a number of Tories uncomfortable with this and even The Sun has come out against it.

Sometimes the Tories do have unpopular policies that negatively impact people's lives and that is their own fault. You can't keep blaming Labour/the BBC/Liberals.

I think you will find it's a very popular policy! The majority of the electorate agree that handouts of working people's money should only be given for the truly needy. That's who they were originally intended for.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Did you miss the bit that this lady won't be losing out at all?

Did you miss the bit where other people *would* be losing out? Did you actually bother reading any of the links posted?