Ethnic minority women can't be racist or sexist.

[tweetiepooh]

Why back I was coding a patient system for a hospital and part of the stats were to record ethnicity of patients. (Actually useful medically too in some cases).

There are different codes for (simplifying here) British Black and Black British and the distinction is one the patient (or respondent) makes.

(BTW I was not privy to the analysis of the figures. And I wouldn't share them if I was.)

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There are differences between gender and race, some more obvious. But there is not a difference in value. We should learn to embrace and utilise the differences but never use those differences to denigrate or devalue any group.

[Osem]

The thing that always surprises me is that people who feel they (or those they represent) are the victims of some 'ism' or another tend to employ their very own 'isms' when putting forward their case. Odd that and not a little ironic...

[TheDaddy]

Has the welfare and diversity old bag kept her job? Course she has, we don't have enough harridans making mischief, on the other hand we have loads of Nobel laureate medical scientists that we can afford to lose one for telling pretty poor, unfunny jokes. Surely there is some sort of course he could've go on to learn the error of his ways, perhaps he could've taken said old bag with him to, that'd really learn him, a few hours with her.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...or-men-in-labs

[Russ]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...e_iOSApp_Other

She won't get the sort of punishment a white person would receive if they'd said the same about blacks but at least the police are getting involved.

[Ignitionnet]

The bit I most enjoyed was her commenting on 'us in the working class'. This from a woman who is 27 and still in university, albeit as the welfare and diversity officer, having recently graduated with that qualification always in demand among employers, an MA in gender and media studies, and who still lives with her parents. For all her rage against the Tories she has absolutely no idea about the impact of their policies having been pleasantly insulated by academia and her parents.

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I should emphasise that I do not think she should be prosecuted. Unlike her I am a fan of freedom of speech, don't want a censorious society and don't think life should come with a trigger warning.

Hopefully this experience will encourage her to appreciate that what she demands goes both ways.

[Osem]

A woman has been arrested after footage appearing to show a racist tirade on a London bus was circulated online.

The video, which has since been removed, shows a pregnant Muslim woman being verbally abused and threatened.

A 36-year-old was arrested on suspicion of a racially aggravated public order offence at her home in Willesden Green on Friday, the Met said.

She was taken into custody at a north London police station, the force said.

The incident happened on 13 October at about 10:30 BST as the bus was travelling along Knatchbull Road, according to police.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-34560277

Footage showing a woman's anti-Muslim tirade on a London bus has prompted a discussion about the fact that the abusive woman is black.

The video was filmed on a bus in north-west London and uploaded to Facebook on Wednesday. It starts with a woman in the middle of a rant. She's shouting and swearing at a pregnant Muslim woman, and threatening to kick her in the stomach.

The abusive woman goes on to lob several insults, calling the other woman an Islamic State supporter, a suicide bomber and saying: "go back to your country." At one point the bus driver stops the bus and tries to calm the woman down - to no avail. When the bus starts up again the confrontation escalates. The video was viewed more than 750,000 times before it was taken down or blocked on Friday morning (it's unclear who took it down and why).

Of course, racist monologues directed towards other passengers on public transport and posted to social media are nothing new. But this particular incident stands out because those sharing and commenting have focussed on the fact that the perpetrator of the abuse is black. The woman, who has not been identified, has a London accent, and many comments about the video concentrate on her ethnic origin.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-34549590

[Taf]

Ah, but they can be anti-islamic ... or the new term "islamaphobic" which means to have an irrational fear of them.

Not such an irrational fear in the near future I reckon.

I would say that's worse than what Mustafa tweeted. Free speech doesn't cover directly abusing someone.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Damien

I would say that's worse than what Mustafa tweeted. Free speech doesn't cover directly abusing someone.

Agree on both counts. This episode is a reminder that anyone can engage in bigotry, and be racist even if they aren't a white CIS male.

I do of course run with the dictionary definition of racism rather than the 'sociological' definition Mustafa uses.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Agree on both counts. This episode is a reminder that anyone can engage in bigotry, and be racist even if they aren't a white CIS male.

I do of course run with the dictionary definition of racism rather than the 'sociological' definition Mustafa uses.

I think they would have an easier time if they separated the concepts of racism and institutionalised racism. I don't think many, CF side, can argue that in a broader context that white people have suffered anywhere near as much from racism as minority groups have or that previous injustices still impact upon today.

[Jimmy-J]

Another racist on a bus, albeit a black male.

A thug threw a Turkish migrant's zimmer frame off a London bus after shouting 'go back to your own country' in a shocking Islamophobic rant.

The unidentified man was travelling on a bus thought to be heading towards Tottenham when he began to abuse a pensioner sat across the aisle from him.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...obic-rant.html

Charges have been dropped: http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...llwhitemen-row

Good. Stupid law, stupid charges. I hope (but doubt) we'll see this communications act revised in future to deal with this attempts at convictions. These can harm peoples' lives.

[Russ]

What a nasty evil little woman she is. It's a massive shame the charges are dropped, this will allow people to think that coming out with such rubbish as what she tweeted (plus the whole "I can't be racist/sexist" crap) is acceptable. That will likely lead to further racial tensions and a whole lot more.

[Osem]

Well that's ok because the targets of her venom and hate were only men...

Originally Posted by Russ

What a nasty evil little woman she is. It's a massive shame the charges are dropped, this will allow people to think that coming out with such rubbish as what she tweeted (plus the whole "I can't be racist/sexist" crap) is acceptable. That will likely lead to further racial tensions and a whole lot more.

Originally Posted by Osem

Well that's ok because the targets of her venom and hate were only men...

It's not acceptable nor 'ok' but it shouldn't be illegal. It also was clearly not a serious threat in context. People all over Twitter were Tweeting that hashtag in the aftermath of her arrest and didn't get a visit from the police which highlights how stupid her initial arrest was and how poorly implemented this law is.

As for this leading to 'further racial tensions' I seriously doubt it. Most people don't know or care about this level of social justice or identity politics. It mains a subculture confined to the Internet and the more militant parts of Student Union politics.

We all pay far too much attention to the wider, more extreme, proponents of any issue and it doesn't do anyone any good. All it does is cause our reaction to them to become more extreme as well until everyone is just shouting at each other and using words like 'evil' for someone.

You are giving her too much attention and significance than she deserves.