RAF sergeant in uniform moved by hospital to avoid offending other patients

[techguyone]

Originally Posted by JoelTheSuperior

but I can imagine how people might be a bit startled if they saw that, especially if they've come from somewhere where they say, may have a bit of a negative association with that clothing.

With that said, you've succeeded in making me angry.

'bit startled' ? It's a hospital.

I'm getting a bit of a negative association with all the hand wringers who are effectively destroying our Country, and even more so with those who seemingly live to be offended at something, everything, nothing but must be kept happy at all costs.

You couldn't make it up, more and more I'm convinced I'm in an alternative WTF Earth, it isn't the one I remember.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Carlos Carboni

Sandhurst military personnel is not allowed in pubs/restaurants in uniform.

Well they should be allowed.

[dave6x]

So we have a member of our NATIONAL Armed Forces who turned up in uniform to be treated in a NATIONAL Health Service hospital!

Anyone who has a problem with it or is offended by it is welcome to leave and pay for treatment privately!

[Osem]

If someone's injured, possibly seriously, whilst wearing their uniform are we really going to have to ask them to get changed into civvies just in case someone might be offended? This really is nonsense.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Well they should be allowed.

It is actually MoD regulations that service personnel cannot go to licensed premises in uniform.

See for example

http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafcms/mediafi...866A594026.pdf

113. Occasions on which Uniform is Not to be Worn.
(1) On leave.
(2) Visits to licensed premises (including when not consuming alcohol), except
when specifically approved by the Chain of Command.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Carlos Carboni

It is actually MoD regulations that service personnel cannot go to licensed premises in uniform.

See for example

http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafcms/mediafi...866A594026.pdf

Shouldn't be that way

[dave6x]

I don't judge anyone on race, creed, colour, religion, etc., however, hypothetically speaking, say I was to be sitting in the same hospital opposite a woman wearing a niqab or a burka and I found that deeply offensive, would the hospital staff ask her to move? I suspect not, and I would probably be accused with being racist!

[Taf]

Originally Posted by dave6x

I don't judge anyone on race, creed, colour, religion, etc., however, hypothetically speaking, say I was to be sitting in the same hospital opposite a woman wearing a niqab or a burka and I found that deeply offensive, would the hospital staff ask her to move? I suspect not, and I would probably be accused with being racist!

Sadly quite true.

[Osem]

Clearly some people feel it's OK to be more sensitive to some feelings than others.

Originally Posted by dave6x

I don't judge anyone on race, creed, colour, religion, etc., however, hypothetically speaking, say I was to be sitting in the same hospital opposite a woman wearing a niqab or a burka and I found that deeply offensive, would the hospital staff ask her to move? I suspect not, and I would probably be accused with being racist!

Be more specific: Hijab with uniform or without?

MOD regs state (see above link):

Hijabs.
Muslim females may wear Hijabs of the approved pattern and
colour under their uniform headdress except when operational,
training or health and safety considerations dictate otherwise.
It is worn without cap badge under the hat outdoors and without
hat indoors. The hijab is to be worn in such a way that rank slides are visible at all times.

Racist+ un-patriotic

Originally Posted by JoelTheSuperior

In fairness the article states that he was wearing a camouflage combat uniform. Now, I think that treating him should take much higher priority over causing a fuss over what he's wearing, but I can imagine how people might be a bit startled if they saw that, especially if they've come from somewhere where they say, may have a bit of a negative association with that clothing.

With that said, I try to ignore these news stories, simply because I get the feeling that they're more or less designed to make people angry above all else.

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Shouldn't be that way

I suspect it's a hangover from the 'troubles' in NI..Off duty servicemen were advised not to wear uniform..

[dave6x]

Originally Posted by Carlos Carboni

Be more specific: Hijab with uniform or without?

MOD regs state (see above link):

Hijabs.
Muslim females may wear Hijabs of the approved pattern and
colour under their uniform headdress except when operational,
training or health and safety considerations dictate otherwise.
It is worn without cap badge under the hat outdoors and without
hat indoors. The hijab is to be worn in such a way that rank slides are visible at all times.

Racist+ un-patriotic

My hypothesis stated a niqab or burka, not a hijab, and my assumption was that it would be worn by a civilian Muslim female and not in a military context. Your reference makes no mention of Muslim headdress other than the hijab.

See Link

Originally Posted by dave6x

My hypothesis stated a niqab or burka, not a hijab, and my assumption was that it would be worn by a civilian Muslim female and not in a military context. Your reference makes no mention of Muslim headdress other than the hijab.

See Link

It was a joke

Also, I thought hijab and niqab was the same thing --apologies, I did not know the fine differences between burka, hijab, chador and niqa--now I do.

[dave6x]

Originally Posted by Carlos Carboni

It was a joke

Also, I thought hijab and niqab was the same thing --apologies, I did not know the fine differences between burka, hijab, chador and niqa--now I do.

No problem, although I know some people do feel intimidated when confronted by a person in a niqab or burka.

Originally Posted by Maggy J

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I suspect it's a hangover from the 'troubles' in NI..Off duty servicemen were advised not to wear uniform..

I think it's mainly about "behaviour that may bring the Armed Forces into disrepute".