Unstoppable migration?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Damien

That proof isn't there or isn't convincing. How do you know that these immigrants wouldn't come anyway and attempt to get in via other means? We did try to stop the rescue attempts at sea and people came anyway nor is there a test case we can use to show that it is policy of admitting migrants than cause them to come.

Still you might be right on that. I am not sure. What I was commenting on is that a lot of people are clearly conflicted on the issue (even people are are traditionally anti-immigration) and that doesn't mean they are deluded, hypocritical or otherwise have a simplistic motivation.

Even the right-wing press and UKIP seem rather unsure what to make of it all. It's only on here and Facebook that I see such confidence in approaching the issue. I think that suggests it isn't so clear-cut.

I think it is pretty obvious that if all those who came to Europe were deported back, they would stop coming.

However, we need to have a compassionate and properly thought out policy to deal with this without opening the floodgates.

Our systems cannot support these numbers.

[Osem]

Our system certainly can't and when it starts to fall apart you can bet those who wanted the gates opened will be at the head of the queue in complaining about how their services have been affected. Idiots!

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Link.
When do the rest of us get all that?

So actually many times the 20,000 to arrive here.

Mere details...

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Russ

Putting words in my mouth again; I've already addressed that the last time you suggested it.

Ok explain clearly and categorically how it should work ?

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Originally Posted by techguyone

Hate to burst your bubble but...
We didn't join a Union, we joined something called the Common Market (the clue is in the name)

We never voted for anything beyond that, we had a referendum about 5 minutes after joining and no clue was what happening back in the 70's

Your bloody Union has spread like a Cancer far beyond what it was envisaged back in the day.

Happily however, after a LOT of campaigning, we WILL now get a chance to vote on whether to stay in or out of said... Union

Don't bother trying to guess what I'll be voting for

Erm, wrong.....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memb...European_Union

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Originally Posted by Osem

Spirit of the word Union

Germany's showing their definition of the word - creating a problem then telling the rest of the EU how they're going to have to deal with it just like they did with Greece.

Anyway I'm sure all those who've forced their way through numerous countries are going to queue up nicely in Germany and happily wait for their buses to Latvia, Poland, Lithuania, Slovakia in full expectation of a warm welcome and a better life...

Let's see what 'union' looks like then eh?

What needs to happen for the hard of mental ability is to stop the problem nearer to the source and not let hundreds of thousands of people feel they can overwhelm borders and choose where they go. When we've got to that point the real damage is done and the only choice is to then erect national borders to try to stem the flow and discourage other from following. That's exactly what's happened as a result of the EU's dithering and Merkel's welcome.

I'm sorry, Germany created this problem ?

I've been a member of this board for god knows how long (as have you) and I don't think I've read another post quite so delusional

[Russ]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Ok explain clearly and categorically how it should work ?

Is there any point if you're not going to pay attention to it?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Osem

What needs to happen for the hard of mental ability is to stop the problem nearer to the source and not let hundreds of thousands of people feel they can overwhelm borders and choose where they go

Osem never says how we "stop the problem nearer to the source". Can someone ask him this as I suspect he has me in his ignore list

[techguyone]

common market
noun
a group of countries imposing few or no duties on trade with one another and a common tariff on trade with other countries.
a name for the European Economic Community or European Union, used especially in the 1960s and 1970s.
singular proper noun: Common Market; noun: the Common Market

I forgot you were probably about 2 when we joined, believe me it was referred to as the Common Market, then later on the EEC.

We joined in 73 had a referendum in 75 long before it mutated into the European Behemoth with mass powers in Brussels overriding sovereign ones.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Russ

Is there any point if you're not going to pay attention to it?

Is that a rhetorical question?

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Originally Posted by techguyone

I forgot you were probably about 2 when we joined, believe me it was referred to as the Common Market, then later on the EEC.

We joined in 73 had a referendum in 75 long before it mutated into the European Behemoth with mass powers in Brussels overriding sovereign ones.

Yes it was widely referred to as the 'Common Market' at that time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7q3B8mr4-c

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Russ

Is there any point if you're not going to pay attention to it?

Bravo I have genuine difficulty trying to get where you coming from so I ask you to explain clearly to continue a reasoned debate and rather than oblige you would rather insult and again patronise

From a mod too.....

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Osem never says how we "stop the problem nearer to the source". Can someone ask him this as I suspect he has me in his ignore list

Funny that he also hasn't answered several reasonable questions put to him likes his rants mind you !

[Russ]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Bravo I have genuine difficulty trying to get where you coming from so I ask you to explain clearly to continue a reasoned debate and rather than oblige you would rather insult and again patronise

From a mod too.....

Admin. And we're not immune to people ignoring points we make. If you feel I've insulted you you know where the 'report post' button is.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Russ

Admin. And we're not immune to people ignoring points we make. If you feel I've insulted you you know where the 'report post' button is.

Mod/admin same stuff different day

I'm asking you to make the point more clearly so I can understand it, do you have an issue with this

[techguyone]

I'm quite interested in seeing Ignitionnets take on this, because he's generally quite rational & sensible, too much point scoring & head in the sand attitude here atm.
Reality may not be a nice place to be, but it is more real than the Fairyland several members seem to think they inhabit.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Funny that he also hasn't answered several reasonable questions put to him likes his rants mind you !

I think that's the issue: he has some very good points but they get lost in the noise. He also fails repeatedly to provide a constructive response to the issue. Just saying they "should not come here" doesn't provide any insight in how to stop them leaving where they live or any humane approach to encouraging them to return.

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Originally Posted by techguyone

I'm quite interested in seeing Ignitionnets take on this, because he's generally quite rational & sensible, too much point scoring & head in the sand attitude here atm.
Reality may not be a nice place to be, but it is more real than the Fairyland several members seem to think they inhabit.

You mean you want him to post because he agrees with you then ..

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by techguyone

I'm quite interested in seeing Ignitionnets take on this, because he's generally quite rational & sensible, too much point scoring & head in the sand attitude here atm.

I'll pass on this one. The high ground here is, for me, no ground.

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Originally Posted by ianch99

You mean you want him to post because he agrees with you then ..

Sorry to disappoint

[Osem]

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has warned that a solution to the migrant crisis is far off and how it is handled will shape Europe in the long term.

She told German MPs the latest EU measures agreed on Wednesday were only a "first step" and that "selective relocation" of migrants was not enough.

The flow of migrants over Europe's borders continues. Hungary announced a record 10,046 arrivals on Wednesday.

Rows among EU nations also continue - the latest between Serbia and Croatia.

The crisis has also sparked a warning from the European Commission that if it is not addressed properly there could be a surge of right-wing extremism across Europe.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34345640

It was all so very predictable...

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Osem

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34345640

It was all so very predictable...

It's also clear that the migrants will violently resist being re-located to places they don't want to go.

Merkel threw the doors open and said to all: "Come to Germany", so they are. Perhaps we should be greatful that magnet is deflecting most of them away from Calais.