Yet again - Cyclist Killed in London

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i watched a tv program last night on pick tv the title road rage i found the program very satisfying as the police in London are now equipped with bicycles with blues and two's and chase down red light jumping cyclists and issue a £30 fine, these cyclists became very irate when they found out they cannot disregard the highway code without punishment , these people where referred to by the police as "Lycra louts and anarchistic" with the intent of causing as much chaos as possible, but its not being tolerated anymore .

Quite right too. There should also be litter police and misuse of mobiles when driving police and have you got your seatbelt on police and dogs pooing everywhere police and urinating up a lane police and oi you, don't spit your chewing gum on the pavement police and you can't get your tits out to breast feed in a public place police and...

Or should these little misdemeanours be overlooked in favour of actually catching real criminals? It's a thin blue line; I know what I'd rather they were doing

ps The roads ARE for everyone.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Quite right too. There should also be litter police and misuse of mobiles when driving police and have you got your seatbelt on police and dogs pooing everywhere police and urinating up a lane police and oi you, don't spit your chewing gum on the pavement police and you can't get your tits out to breast feed in a public place police and...

Or should these little misdemeanours be overlooked in favour of actually catching real criminals? It's a thin blue line; I know what I'd rather they were doing

ps The roads ARE for everyone.

im with you on the chewing gum on the pavement but it should carry the death penalty .the rest is just drivel intended to take our eyes off the real problem arrogant cycling anarchists hell bent on ruining the road network .
ps the roads are for those who can obey the highway code .

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

the real problem arrogant cycling anarchists hell bent on ruining the road network

Really? Get a sense of perspective ..

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Really? Get a sense of perspective ..

Papa's bating me ianch99; it's all good clean fun but he's struggling a bit. C'mon Papa, you need to try harder or others will think you're a bit mental Don't expect me to save your bacon again.

[Osem]

This seems to be an excellent idea which ought to be extended:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34115046

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Osem

This seems to be an excellent idea which ought to be extended:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34115046

i watched this on the news this morning the police officer was about ten feet to the side of the lorry and still could not be seen .

[Osem]

Whereas lorry drivers may well have experience of cycling, how many cyclists know what it's like behind the wheel of a lorry in London. Initiatives like this can only be a good thing.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Osem

Whereas lorry drivers may well have experience of cycling, how many cyclists know what it's like behind the wheel of a lorry in London. Initiatives like this can only be a good thing.

the question is will cyclists be willing to engage in these types of initiative ,or will they just keep babbling the same drivel about who has what rights on the road .

[Osem]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

the question is will cyclists be willing to engage in these types of initiative ,or will they just keep babbling the same drivel about who has what rights on the road .

As always, there'll be some who do and some who can't be bothered because they know it all already. Maybe stuff like this ought to be on option for anyone caught riding irresponsibly.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I believe that there are several ways o improve cycling on the road - and banning Lorries isn't one of them in certain times.

Companies will suffer, and prices will go up for shopkeepers.

Lorries have vital work in London, and yes, there are time limits on work being done.

When l was a delivery driver in Oxford. I was told deliveries had to made before a certain time. Otherwise you would have 'poles' coming through the ground to stop you getting out of that area until after a certain time.

BUT, Oxford isn't London. This cannot work, in London there are major companies and they need to work.

What need to happen is to EDUCATE the cyclist on the usage of the road. On most Lorries and large vehicles, they have large signs on the rear of the Lorries 'DONT PASS ON THIS SIDE' I have seen loads of cyclists ignoring this

You have cyclist on the pavement - this is an offence, and people say, they do that as it is dangerous on the road - what about pedestrians.

In Hounslow High Street, there is a sign NO CYCLING IN THIS AREA, today when l was there. There were cyclist everywhere.

IF, cyclists want MORE protection on the roads - then they should wear Hi Vis, have lights and PAY INSURANCE like car drivers have to
Cyclist need education

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Osem

This seems to be an excellent idea which ought to be extended:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34115046

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i watched this on the news this morning the police officer was about ten feet to the side of the lorry and still could not be seen .

Originally Posted by Osem

Whereas lorry drivers may well have experience of cycling, how many cyclists know what it's like behind the wheel of a lorry in London. Initiatives like this can only be a good thing.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

the question is will cyclists be willing to engage in these types of initiative ,or will they just keep babbling the same drivel about who has what rights on the road .

Goodness me it's like a Dick and Dom double act.

You want cyclists to get into a lorry cab to prove that a lorry driver can't see cyclists? If they can't see cyclists, they shouldn't be on the roads. All lorries should get CCTV fitted.

Originally Posted by Osem

As always, there'll be some who do and some who can't be bothered because they know it all already. Maybe stuff like this ought to be on option for anyone caught riding irresponsibly.

Anyone caught driving irresponsibly should be made to ride a bike then (as well as being disqualified)?

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I believe that there are several ways o improve cycling on the road - and banning Lorries isn't one of them in certain times.

Companies will suffer, and prices will go up for shopkeepers.

Lorries have vital work in London, and yes, there are time limits on work being done.

When l was a delivery driver in Oxford. I was told deliveries had to made before a certain time. Otherwise you would have 'poles' coming through the ground to stop you getting out of that area until after a certain time.

BUT, Oxford isn't London. This cannot work, in London there are major companies and they need to work.

What need to happen is to EDUCATE the cyclist on the usage of the road. On most Lorries and large vehicles, they have large signs on the rear of the Lorries 'DONT PASS ON THIS SIDE' I have seen loads of cyclists ignoring this

You have cyclist on the pavement - this is an offence, and people say, they do that as it is dangerous on the road - what about pedestrians.

In Hounslow High Street, there is a sign NO CYCLING IN THIS AREA, today when l was there. There were cyclist everywhere.

IF, cyclists want MORE protection on the roads - then they should wear Hi Vis, have lights and PAY INSURANCE like car drivers have to
Cyclist need education

Have YOU trained your PARROT to type Arthur? It's just that he's repeating the SAME thing over and over and he's a bit shouty .

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Goodness me it's like a Dick and Dom double act.

You want cyclists to get into a lorry cab to prove that a lorry driver can't see cyclists? If they can't see cyclists, they shouldn't be on the roads. All lorries should get CCTV fitted.



Anyone caught driving irresponsibly should be made to ride a bike then (as well as being disqualified)?



Have YOU trained your PARROT to type Arthur? It's just that he's repeating the SAME thing over and over and he's a bit shouty .

and there we have it a prime example of what is wrong on our roads ,these people[lycra louts] can't be reasoned with and will not be helped .it's always the other guys fault ,they still reserve the right to commit suicide by reckless riding .

[Osem]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

and there we have it a prime example of what is wrong on our roads ,these people[lycra louts] can't be reasoned with and will not be helped .it's always the other guys fault ,they still reserve the right to commit suicide by reckless riding .

Let's be honest, only some of them are idiots - the ones who want to be responsible will be and will benefit from initiatives like this. The younger they're exposed to it the better. Those who insist on being irresponsible will sooner or later find that they're called to account. Right now they're able to blame everyone else but their day of reckoning will come either through tougher law enforcement, civil actions and even perhaps under the wheels of a truck, bus or car. I'd rather they were sensible and did what they reasonably can to stay out of trouble but if they prefer to be stupid and take their chances so be it. They're no different in mindset from idiot car drivers, just a whole lot more vulnerable and that fact only adds to their stupidity.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

and there we have it a prime example of what is wrong on our roads ,these people[lycra louts] can't be reasoned with and will not be helped .it's always the other guys fault ,they still reserve the right to commit suicide by reckless riding .

Originally Posted by Osem

Let's be honest, only some of them are idiots - the ones who want to be responsible will be and will benefit from initiatives like this. The younger they're exposed to it the better. Those who insist on being irresponsible will sooner or later find that they're called to account. Right now they're able to blame everyone else but their day of reckoning will come either through tougher law enforcement, civil actions and even perhaps under the wheels of a truck, bus or car. I'd rather they were sensible and did what they reasonably can to stay out of trouble but if they prefer to be stupid and take their chances so be it. They're no different in mindset from idiot car drivers, just a whole lot more vulnerable and that fact only adds to their stupidity.

Now, now no need to get uppity because you can't impose your couch potato views on other people.

You prolific keyboard warriors will say anything to "show your concern for the well being of others before their day of reckoning comes" (embarrassingly biblical ). If you really care, lobby for proper protection and facilities for cyclists instead of "come-into-my-cab-and-you-can-see-I-can't-see-you-therefore-when-you die-because-I'm-unsighted-it's-your-fault" schemes.

Neither of you offered an opinion on CCTV for lorries so that they are fully road aware as they should be.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Let me prove a point regarding cycling. I ride my cycle 8 HOURS PER DAY in my job, to look after the vulnerable.
I abide by the 'rule's
1) I wear a Helmet
2) I wear High Vis
3) at night l use lights
4) l don't go through RED LIGHTS
5) I don't under any circumstances ride on the pavement OR go between Lorries or Vans
and l read what's on the backs of Lorries.

Cycling is healthy for you, BUT, there are other traffic on the road. Instead of stupid Boris and his Cycling Commissioner wasting OUR money on supplying lanes in MOST cyclist wont even use them

Cyclist just need exams like when new drivers are on the road. At the end of the day, IF you cant be seen, either by Vans, Lorries, Cars or Buses. Then you are risking your life.

Some Lorry companies are spending thousands on gadgets for the vehicles - but we still have cyclist maimed or killed - when will it stop