The state benefits system mega-thread.

Originally Posted by Gary L

LOL
Just because I said shelf stacker to the woman?

so if I phoned up a car wash place and said 'car sponger' you'd say we don't have any car sponger jobs but we did have car washer jobs?

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You can't smell over the internet. must be coming from your end

LOL

Just because I think you are lying about speaking to someone at Tesco Head Office.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Would you object to them performing work that benefits the community, litter picking etc?

No.
but as I said a long time ago. criminals get the same job of litter picking and paying back to society.

and will take away the jobs that the councils employ people to do already?

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Gary L

No.
but as I said a long time ago. criminals get the same job of litter picking and paying back to society.

and will take away the jobs that the councils employ people to do already?

So, buy your own logic should criminals be paid the minimum wage?

If there were enough council staff then we wouldn't have lots of litter/graffiti etc.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

So, buy your own logic should criminals be paid the minimum wage?

What?
no it's a punishment.

If there were enough council staff then we wouldn't have lots of litter/graffiti etc.

What?
So by your logic if nobody dropped litter then we wouldn't need any council staff. and you'd probably give me something substantial to discuss other than rubbish (no pun intended)

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Gary L

What?
no it's a punishment.



What?
So by your logic if nobody dropped litter then we wouldn't need any council staff. and you'd probably give me something substantial to discuss other than rubbish (no pun intended)

OK let me put it another way

Prisoners who work, should they be paid the minimum wage?

Litter etc. will always be dropped

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

OK let me put it another way

Prisoners who work, should they be paid the minimum wage?

No.

Litter etc. will always be dropped

That's logical.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Gary L

No.



That's logical.

Why not, their punishment is so be sent to prison. Their work allows them to gain new skills etc. for if/when they're eventually released? Why should they not be paid the minimum wage?

Some of the good produced go towards large multinationals such as Tesco are they stopping people from getting jobs ??

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Why not, their punishment is so be sent to prison. Their work allows them to gain new skills etc. for if/when they're eventually released? Why should they not be paid the minimum wage?

Some of the good produced go towards large multinationals such as Tesco are they stopping people from getting jobs ??

Ok. you have a point. pay them a wage.
but I think they should get more than the minimum wage.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Ok. you have a point. pay them a wage.
but I think they should get more than the minimum wage.

Lets take this logically a step further

Should they make a contribution from their wage, towards the costs of their incarceration ?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Lets take this logically a step further

Should they make a contribution from their wage, towards the costs of their incarceration ?

No. they should be allowed to keep it for all that hard work they've done. so they can buy soap, sweets and crisps with it.

and when they go on day trips to parks and stuff they can buy ice creams.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Gary L

No. they should be allowed to keep it for all that hard work they've done. so they can buy soap, sweets and crisps with it.

and when they go on day trips to parks and stuff they can buy ice creams.

And the serious answer is?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

And the serious answer is?

They should not be paid the minimum wage. and then from this they should not make a contribution to their holiday bed and board. because in doing so makes some people think that the same therefore applies to benefit claimants.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

And the serious answer is?

Could I point out that you are trying to have a rational discussion with an irrational person, and he's dragging you down to his level and wearing you down with his long, long experience at that level......

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Gary L

They should not be paid the minimum wage. and then from this they should not make a contribution to their holiday bed and board. because in doing so makes some people think that the same therefore applies to benefit claimants.

So basically you know I'm right you just can't bring yourself to say it

There, there

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Could I point out that you are trying to have a rational discussion with an irrational person, and he's dragging you down to his level and wearing you down with his long, long experience at that level......

Another salient point made much more politely than I ever could (or indeed would)

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

So basically you know I'm right you just can't bring yourself to say it

Seriously your logic is flawed. it's the kind of logic that Cameron, his men and the media use to brainwash people into going along with their plans.

'work' isn't the answer to everything.
if it's a contribution then. then why not free sex?
it's the same principle.

you know I'm right.