Unstoppable migration?

[Osem]

Multiply the relatively insignificant 'single case' by thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands and suddenly the numbers are very significant. Not only that, refuge, once granted can't just be revoked if/when things get tough economically and/or socially, so any problems which arise after the event are not going away any time soon. I fully expect ethnic tensions to increase in Greece with the economy there tanking at the very time migrants numbers are peaking with the accompanying demands on their economy. It's really not rocket science for anyone who can see beyond the end of their nose.

Originally Posted by Taf

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33754595

That's not small change for a cash-strapped country. £18,720,000 pa.

I don't know if the free prescriptions in Wales means that maths isn't taught but £36 X 52 weeks = 1,870 PA not £18,720

To get £18,720 they would get £360 per week which they don't

[Taf]

Originally Posted by martyh

I don't know if the free prescriptions in Wales means that maths isn't taught but £36 X 52 weeks = 1,870 PA not £18,720

To get £18,720 they would get £360 per week which they don't

£36 X 52 weeks = 1,870 PA not £18,720

... bin your calculator.

£18,720,000 is the whole bill for ALL of them for a year.

Free prescriptions in Wales cost LESS than the admin to collect the charge.

I earned 8 top grades at Mathematics.

what is the cost of the sniffer dogs that DC sent to Calais?

Have they been trained to follow garlic breath? the immigrants surely eat local food.....

Originally Posted by Taf

... bin your calculator.

£18,720,000 is the whole bill for ALL of them for a year.

Free prescriptions in Wales cost LESS than the admin to collect the charge.

I earned 8 top grades at Mathematics.

nothing wrong with the calculator ,each asylum seeker gets £1,872 pa you worded it as if they where getting £18,720 pa each, spinning stories to try to make a point does your argument no good at all .You have only succeeded in highlighting the extremely small amount of money they have to live on which would most likely force people into stealing to survive

[Taf]

Originally Posted by martyh

nothing wrong with the calculator ,each asylum seeker gets £1,872 pa you worded it as if they where getting £18,720 pa each, spinning stories to try to make a point does your argument no good at all .You have only succeeded in highlighting the extremely small amount of money they have to live on which would most likely force people into stealing to survive

Best twonk response for ages. Did you read my original post at all?

Originally Posted by Taf

Best twonk response for ages. Did you read my original post at all?

That's not small change for a cash-strapped country. £18,720,000 pa.

The wording definitely tries to make out that it's £18,720 pa for each asylum seeker simply because 18 grand pa for 10,000 people is absolute peanuts so the only point you could possibly be making is that we are paying them too much so you either think we are giving them 18 grand each pa or there is absolutely no humanity in you whatsoever.Also we aren't particularly cash strapped as a nation ,we are in fact one of the wealthiest nations on earth which is why people want to live here

[Osem]

Just been listening to a BBC News interview with some asylum seekers. 'Did you come to the UK because of the welfare and benefits?' was the question asked and the answer unsurprisingly was no. Do they seriously expect people to say anything else? It wouldn't go down too well if they said they were here because of the benefits etc. would it...

Once again the man from the Beeb made the statement that they're "not eligible for benefits or housing" which is patently untrue.

Originally Posted by Osem

Just been listening to a BBC News interview with some asylum seekers. 'Did you come to the UK because of the welfare and benefits?' was the question asked and the answer unsurprisingly was no. Do they seriously expect people to say anything else? It wouldn't go down too well if they said they were here because of the benefits etc. would it...

Once again the man from the Beeb made the statement that they're "not eligible for benefits or housing" which is patently untrue.

so why do more refugees and asylum seekers go to the US,Germany and most other parts of the EU where benefits are less in preference to the UK ? Asylum seekers get some state help ,they have to because they aren't allowed to work ,but they in no way receive benefits and housing equivalent to everyone else

This may help to clear up some of the mis information that is sweeping through this thread

http://www.unhcr.org.uk/about-us/the-uk-and-asylum.html

[Taf]

Originally Posted by martyh

The wording definitely tries to make out that it's £18,720 pa for each asylum seeker....

did you do big numbers in school?

£18,720,000 divided by 10,000 equals £1,872.

Not £18,720.

---------- Post added at 18:58 ---------- Previous post was at 18:49 ----------

A Home Office spokesperson said: “Asylum seekers requiring our support are provided with an essential living allowance, which is in addition to free accommodation, including all utility bills and council tax, and access to free healthcare and schooling.

“The changes we are making have been drawn up using a tested methodology designed to ensure support levels are sufficient to cover essential living needs.

“They also bring the UK more closely into line with other EU countries. Among those with comparable systems, only Germany provides higher support payments to families.”

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...t-payments-cut


Denmark has also slashed benefits to asylum seekers.

I was wondering too

@Taf I too believe you did write £18,720
@martyh after Taf posted his message, Taf edited his typo, in less than 1 minute he added 3 zeros

I hope I did not imagine this We both read Taf's message the split second it was posted....

Originally Posted by Taf

did you do big numbers in school?

£18,720,000 divided by 10,000 equals £1,872.

Not £18,720.

I know , I pointed that out to you

The way YOU worded your post made it out that each asylum seeker receives £18,720 pa YOU tried to spin it to make it sound worse than it was I tried to correct your blatant spin that Blair would have been proud of and now YOU are trying to back peddle ,give it up, your argument is pathetic.If you begrudge an asylum seeker £5.28 a day for food sanitation and clothing then you are a sorry little man

[Osem]

Originally Posted by martyh

so why do more refugees and asylum seekers go to the US,Germany and most other parts of the EU where benefits are less in preference to the UK ? Asylum seekers get some state help ,they have to because they aren't allowed to work ,but they in no way receive benefits and housing equivalent to everyone else

This may help to clear up some of the mis information that is sweeping through this thread

http://www.unhcr.org.uk/about-us/the-uk-and-asylum.html

The problem here is that we're constantly referring to refugees, asylum seekers and economic migrants and there's no way we can tell who's really who. Until asylum claims are actually made we have no idea how many there will be and how many illegals are here biding their time before they claim asylum as I've already mentioned. In some ways life is tougher for an asylum seeker here than an illegal migrant who works illegally, pays no tax and lives under the radar and frankly I'm far more worried about the latter category. It doesn't surprise me that many leave their claims until they're caught because a) it gives them more time to form family relationships and b) they can earn more than they'd get officially. There's no downside.

As for those who choose to go to Germany I dare say there are other factors, which in their case, make that seem like the best idea. Amongst those factors will be established family or cultural links. Knowing the German reputation for efficiency it may well be that those with a good case for asylum choose to go there because they know their cases will be dealt with far more speedily than here and they'll soon be able to get on with life. Likewise many may choose to come here because they have very weak claims and want to exploit the fact that our system is shambolic because that gives them the best chance of remaining permanently.

What drives migrants to do what they do will vary from case to case and clearly there's a proportion who've been very badly misled and abused along the way.

I'm not at all confused about the difference between asylum seekers and economic migrants but until we have an effective system for separating the 2 we'll never know how many are genuine refugees who deserve asylum and how many aren't. The fact that anyone can claim to be a refugee knowing that it'll take years for an asylum claim to be examined/determined in the UK is an excellent inducement for any economic migrant to do so and why wouldn't they? Why would they traipse across half the world to the UK and then admit something which would preclude them from remaining here?

I'm not suggesting that other countries don't have similar or even worse problems - clearly the Italians and Greeks do for a start. Frankly, however, I'm more concerned about the problems we face and I don't really like the thought that economic migrants are queueing up in Calais using all sorts of intimidation in order to force their way into the UK. I believe that if we give in to this sort of thing it will end very badly and serve to encourage even more to try the same tactics. If that happens, I believe the numbers will grow substantially and waking up to that fact when it's too late isn't really very sensible.

Originally Posted by Carlos Carboni

I was wondering too

@Taf I too believe you did write £18,720
@martyh after Taf posted his message, Taf edited his typo, in less than 1 minute he added 3 zeros

I hope I did not imagine this We both read Taf's message the split second it was posted....

Thank you ,I thought I was going nuts when those zeros suddenly appeared

Putting that aside it does highlight the rather sad attitude towards people suffering from persecution that seems prevalent in this thread

[Osem]

How do we separate those suffering persecution from those who're economic migrants or don't we bother? I reckon few people would have a problem with asylum if they believed those being granted it were all genuine. How can anyone have any faith in a system which has been shambolic and open to abuse for decades?

IMHO we should be assisting economic migrants with aid at source and be restricting asylum to those who're genuinely in need of it.