[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[Osem]

The pros and cons according to the Beeb:

Are there any viable options for Britain leaving the EU?

If Britain votes to leave the EU, it will have to negotiate a new trading relationship with what would now be a 27 member organisation, to allow British firms to sell goods and services to EU countries without being hit by excessive tariffs and other restrictions.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32793642

How unbiased is this summary do you reckon?

Originally Posted by Osem

The pros and cons according to the Beeb:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32793642

How unbiased is this summary do you reckon?

Judging by the snippet you quoted ... Not very.

Quoting the size of the EU membership and using words like "hit" seems to be intended to emphasise difficulty.

I wonder whether the Beeb will also point out that the 27 remaining members of the EU would each also have very good reasons not to want to be "hit" with tariffs as they try to sell into the highly lucrative UK market ...

[Osem]

Yes the opening question seems to be rather loaded. Would the Beeb ever have posed it this way I wonder?

Are there any viable options for Britain staying in the EU?

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Osem

The pros and cons according to the Beeb:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32793642

How unbiased is this summary do you reckon?

The BBC is no longer unbiased and has not been for a couple of years now.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Sirius

The BBC is no longer unbiased and has not been for a couple of decades now.

There, fixed it for you.

The news output does it quite subtly by relegating some stories, promoting others to headline status, limiting the time dedicated and the use of certain words and phrases. Current affairs though can be quite blatent.

[Osem]

Interested to know whether recent events in Europe have changed anyone's minds about how they'll vote when the time comes. I started out hoping that we'd be able to reform the EU sufficiently to make me want to stay in but all that's been happening in recent months has proved to me that the chances of meaningful reform are virtually zero and all we can do is get out and hope we're not dragged down with the wreckage.

The fact that the EU seems so unconcerned about the very real prospect of a major member leaving the club says a lot to me. They'd rather cut of their nose to spite their face in spite of the obvious need to address serious problems within.

[nashville]

I was always going to vote to get out of the EU, and with the situation going on just now, I very much believe it is a wise decision to make, We need out

[Mr K]

Lets face the public will vote however the govt. and their media friends tell them to, whatever opinion polls say now. The public are stupid like that. eg. the General Election, Scottish referendum and the PR referendum - voting was swayed by the media coverage. Governments don't hold referendums unless thay are assured of the outcome.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Osem

The fact that the EU seems so unconcerned about the very real prospect of a major member leaving the club says a lot to me. They'd rather cut of their nose to spite their face in spite of the obvious need to address serious problems within.

That's part of why I think we should stay, a deal like Norway got isn't an incentive to leave

[nashville]

I think people have had enough and will stick to what they believe in this time,

[Osem]

Well if they don't vote to get out after all this chaos you'd have to wonder what might get them to do so.

[Matth]

I predict...

Cameron will ask for too little, not even get all of that - and still try and spin it as a success.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Matth

I predict...

Cameron will ask for too little, not even get all of that - and still try and spin it as a success.

'twas ever so. They go to Brussels and go native.

No matter what Cameron gets or even says he's got I'll vote to get out of the burning building.

[Osem]

It's not wrong to want to stay in a reformed EU but I think the majority of people here now believe the EU is incapable of reform. They're just like Fifa FGS. They've lied and deluded themselves so often they maybe now they even believe their own nonsense and rhetoric. Cameron's inclination is to stay in but I can't see how he can come back from his 'negotiations' with little/nothing and present that as an unmitigated success worthy of our backing at the ballot box The fact that the EU won't negotiate on any of the key areas of reform which are required says it all about the head in the sand attitude which prevails in Brussels. As it stands that attitude is what a) will lead the UK to leave and b) result in the EU's demise. Our main concern must be how to limit the damage done to our economy when that happens.

[nashville]

I agree Osem,