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[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Osem

Well I like to think I operate one at home...

That's not what your wife said

[Osem]

Eh???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(pm me what she told you matey... )

[Ramrod]

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Yes, because there was no previous Labour/Abyss interface scenario.......

Under the election rules that you never complained about until Labour lost, the Conservatives won - you can either suck it up, or keep crying "wah, wah - it's not fair..".

Hugh, why are you fixated by the Labour past? I never voted Labour ..

The electoral result was not right then and it is not right now. You can try and deflect the argument with childish remarks or you can admit that a Government taking the country in a radical, untested economic direction based on 24% of the electorate is not appropriate.

But then you wouldn't because you are a Tory supporter and the current system benefits that party so why would you admit anything needs changing? I don't blame you. You have what you want so of course you would shout down anyone who objects.

Actually, I think the voting system should be changed to an AV system.

btw, disagreeing with someone, and putting forward reasons for having a different view, is not, IMHO, "shouting down".

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Actually, I think the voting system should be changed to an AV system.

btw, disagreeing with someone, and putting forward reasons for having a different view, is not, IMHO, "shouting down".

I'm sorry but comments like "you can either suck it up, or keep crying "wah, wah - it's not fair.." just wind me up.

I am depressed why the majority are happy to put up with the status quo when it is so patently wrong for today's political landscape

tbf, misuse of statistics and continuous evasion of questions asked winds me up , so I apologise for snapping at you.

It's just that no-one had huge rallies when Labour (not pointing this at you) won with a smaller percentage of the voting public, and nobody said they didn't have a mandate.

Caroline Lucas tweeted the same stat you used, and it was pointed out that, according to that logic, she had no mandate in her constituency, as less than 30% of eligible voters voted for her....

[Osem]

Caroline Lucas tweeted the same stat you used, and it was pointed out that, according to that logic, she had no mandate in her constituency, as less than 30% of eligible voters voted for her....

Yeah but none of that matters unless it's the evil Tories or lunatic UKIP who are the beneficiaries...

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Hugh

tbf, misuse of statistics and continuous evasion of questions asked winds me up , so I apologise for snapping at you.

It's just that no-one had huge rallies when Labour (not pointing this at you) won with a smaller percentage of the voting public, and nobody said they didn't have a mandate.

Caroline Lucas tweeted the same stat you used, and it was pointed out that, according to that logic, she had no mandate in her constituency, as less than 30% of eligible voters voted for her....

No offence taken. The whole concept of a mandate has lost meaning when you look this this election and the Labour wins you mention. You are right, the whole electoral system needs updating to match the changed landscape.

[Stop It]

Originally Posted by Osem

Yeah but none of that matters unless it's the evil Tories or lunatic UKIP who are the beneficiaries...

Well, actually UKIP want PR because it would mean they would actually have a proper voice in the Commons, rather than the solo MP they have now.

I do not agree with the politics of UKIP but they are right when they argue for PR. First Past The Post worked when we were a 2 party democracy, that is no longer the case.

Edit: Proper Proportional Representation as used in the EU elections/most of Europe, rather than the shoddy AV rubbish we were asked to vote for a few years ago.

[Osem]

I was referring to 'people' who are happy to overlook the fact that their preferred party or representative was elected on a very small majority but immediately start protesting about how rotten the system is when, in this case, the Tories (or another detestable party) benefit from the very same rules.

[Stop It]

Originally Posted by Osem

I was referring to 'people' who are happy to overlook the fact that their preferred party or representative was elected on a very small majority but immediately start protesting about how rotten the system is when, in this case, the Tories (or another detestable party) benefit from the very same rules.

I cannot stand hypocrites on this issue either, but our electoral system hasn't produced a "representative" government in decades!

The fact is, for too long we have had governments elected, Lab and Con, on election results that in most European countries would result in coalitions. It's not a dirty word after all.

Edit: For clarity, I supported the proposals of the Lib Dems to try to bring in PR for their 2010 campaign and was utterly bemused when that turned into a pitiful vote for AV instead. Still sore on that, really.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Osem

I was referring to 'people' who are happy to overlook the fact that their preferred party or representative was elected on a very small majority but immediately start protesting about how rotten the system is when, in this case, the Tories (or another detestable party) benefit from the very same rules.

l am not complaining about the General Election result as it is what it is but if the elected government think they are going to have a easy ride in this next 5 years then rest assured they ain't going to get that as many will be watching them carefully even those who put their tick by them as a awful lot can change in politics in a short time.

With such a small majority, I don't believe they are taking anything for granted....

[Osem]

I often wonder what the picture would look like if everyone eligible bothered to vote. Maybe the voting system isn't really broken and what needs fixing is public apathy.